Caring for Loved Ones
The Midlife Gals/Good Cop & Bad Cop
Two boomer sisters from Texas caring for our mother, The Ancient One. We're a great team...with Sal giving all the good news and KK saying all the things that might not go over so well with The Ancient One, but need saying.
We're called The Midlife Gals, and we speak for all the boomers who might otherwise be screaming into their pillows in the pantry. We're no lambs to the slaughter...comfortable with the fact that you can love/hate the elder in your care, one of your siblings for not doing a damned thing to help...or any of your teenage children. Laughter in the face of caregiving adversity is the ONLY way to stay sane.
Come and laugh with us! http://www.themidlifegals.com
PS-Why doesn't anyone here at Third Age identify themselves with photos?? This is a conundrum.
KK and SalGal
http://www.themidlifegals.com
the right pay scale?
First: I am so glad to have this site!!! Finally something for caregivers!
My question to you guys is this: About 3 months ago, I was asked by a friend if would move to florida to help her with her children and help take care of her father. I would be getting paid #350 per week, plus room and board. Since then, things have fell apart (on the family's end - the daughter went psychotic when her father cut her off of all the money she was spending). I am now living with a mutual friend, and the friend's father has since moved in with us. I was once again asked to take care of him. I agreed (for the same amount $350 per week, plus room and board)
that was fine one day. the very next day, I was told I would get $200 per week, plus room and board. and that my duties would include (cleaning his room, cooking for him once a day, taking him to doctors appts, and maybe sitting and talking with him)..I had no other choice but to say yes, since i am stuck in florida with no way back home (to georgia).
My duties now are way more than before, I do everything above, plus 10,000 things more and am lucky if i get 2 or 3 hours of sleep. when he is up all night banging around in his room, knocking things off a wall, stomping around it wakes me up and I cannot go back to sleep. the friend i live with got a little upset with me this morning because i didnt bring him to work. i told her i was in the shower and did not realize that he had drove himself. she said that was a poor excuse. what am i supposed to do? $200 a week doesnt seem fair at all for what i do around here...am i wrong in thinking this?
Inkhaos, I am not sure why
Inkhaos, I am not sure why your are involved in this situation in the first place. It sounds like there is alot of family turmoil going on there and you are a "friend" that is coming in need.I am all for helping a buddy in need, but if it turned MY life upside down even if I were getting payed, I would try to gracefully bow out. I know this is cold, but your health could be effected. Not good.
I like this site
Hello all:
I am a crabby 80 year old guy caring for my 71 year old of wife. 2 strokes strokes (1997 and 2004) and now Parikinson' Diseased. She is can do nothing for her self, altho she can feed her self. I am so grateful for that. we will be celebrating our 35th year of marriage this July
What happens in or out of the house I do. I did have some help come in and that was a downner. They were more problem then help. I just praise God He has given me the body and mind that I can deal (cope to some of you) with it. We have been together daily, 24/7 for almost 5 years (or about 1800 continus days) with one exception of a 30 hour period when she was in the hospital.
If you are a woman reading this I do every thing you do as a house keeper (maybe I do more) except I can not be a grand mother. When she was ok the house was hers and she could change her mind. Now that I am the house keeper I can can change my mind and I do. I do tell her that when she is OK again she can have this woman's work back and allowed to change her mind. Darn this woman's work is hard work.
I am not a good cook (fair but not good) but I have not made any one sick. Cooking is so hard to think of what to have and I don't follow the rescipe well either.
I say I am a crabby old guy as that is what a lot of people think of old guys. I love my wife and feel privage to be able to care for her. I dread the day I out live her or dread just as much if she out lives me. I know that she could never get the care that I give to her.
One kid lives in town and he is a boy (38) and a little helpful, but causes me more work then not. We are teather by cell phone, thus I do not need to be in the same room all the time. It does give me the chance to go shopping and to just get out. Like when I get her in the tub she can sit and soak as long as she wants, and calls when ready to get out. Before the cell she would beat on the wall. If she was lucky I would hear her beating.
Am I bragging? Yes. I am happy to be caring for her and try to have humor and joy as much as possiable. We attend church weekly or more in the wheel chair and she does not like to make trips to the hospital, but I say "I don't either," but we go together.
Please excuse the length of this as there is no other place to brag about our life and think the reader will understand
One last thing. When we did some remodling on this 110 year old house I put the washer and dryer in the bath room. Not knowing I would be her caregiver. That has saved me.
I can undress, clean and etc and just put the clothing in the washer. We use 6 towels+ at night and right it to the washer. No hamper needed or drying of wet things.
Thank you for listening. Mike O'Shea, Miles City, Montana.
You are one of a kind!!!
You are one of a kind!!! You have bragging rights. Your wife is very lucky to have you as her partner and caregiver.
Mike, While reading I
Mike,
While reading I appreciated your humur and the love you have for your wife. I can appreciate how much love you feel. I took care of my mother for about 10 years.
Imagine my surprise when I discovered you were from Miles City, MT a place I often called home.
http://bridgingmemories.blogspot.com/
Your Opinions Wanted
The most difficult (and yet rewarding) job has to be giving care to loved ones.
I founded a website called The Senior List (www.theseniorlist.com). I'd be very interested in your opinion of the site as a resource after you visit.
If you've had experiences with particular senior services in your community, you can help others out there by posting your experience on the website. It's a place for consumer to review and rate senior-focused businesses and services. It is free to both consumers and providers.
Popular topic in our community
We talk about this all the time. It's not easy to be a caregiver especially these days. We bought a medic life alert system and it has given us extra peace of mind. I highly recommend these things.
I didn't ask for this
On 11/30/08, the man I spoke about in my last post, passed away. I was full of fear in that last post. He ended up in Hospice care and went residential, as I couldn't care for him at home.
I figured out we were having relationship prblems because he was sick, even before we knew it.
This has been very hard, and now I'm missing him alot..
I met the love of my life 8
I met the love of my life 8 years ago. 4 years ago he almost died in an auto accident. AFter he recovered we decided to marry. Only after we married did we learn he was developing lymphodema. Eventually he could not work, had to be in a hospital bed in the living room. Still we loved each other dearly. Then he died in January 2009, in going through his papers on the computer I discovered he had another life of sexual fantasy.
He had online relationships with a lot of different women who exchanged nude/sexually explicit pictures with him. Nothing he told them was true. He was not able to leave the house, have sex, I was the one who worked to provide us insurance, home, etc.
I wonder now who was the real person - this dark one or the good husband. I took my wedding rings off last Saturday and don't know that I will ever put them on again.
I wish I had discovered these things before he died because then I could have vented at him. If he were alive right now he would be wising he was dead.
How do you move on from this?
I didn't ask for this
I never pictured myself in this dilema when I got into the relationship I've been in for 6 years. I have a lung cancer patient (stage 4) on the couch in my living room. He's six years younger then me, and has no family to help him. I'm at my wits end, I woek full time, and have been taking time off to transport him to and from various appointments and procedures. In September, I told him I wanted to end the relationship, and he was diagnosed the next day. I have been both nurse and purse now for two months. He isn't finacially responsible, which is why we never married. I'm trying so harf to do the right thing, but now he's getting mean...
Re:
A forum with nice motive.. Purposeful community has been gathered here. Caring and supporting are the two great qualities that one should have in the life time. Not only the elders but also everyone need it.
Things change
My husband has had some "events" which have caused me such pain. He is not the same person I married five years ago. I am bereft and grieving. There is no one who understands what I am going through. My own son tells me to leave. How can I leave someone who gave me so much love?
How does a person decide enough is enough?
I have been caring for my husband who has Alzheimers for 8 yrs. I am at the time of life where my health is important also, and my husband is draining me. The questions I have are when does a person say Enough is Enough, and how can I decide what to do now that I am in poor health also.? I had a Doctor in the Emergency Room say to me, "You are an Angel"
and I had no idea what he meant. He explained that since I have taken care of my husband for so long, I am an Angel. He said he didn't think many people could do what I have done.
I need someone to talk to now.
Thanks, Orcota
I worked in geri-psych for
I worked in geri-psych for sev. years and saw many couples like you. One or the other would be exhausted caring for the other. Try your local hospitals to see if they have a "Senior-Care" program. They have units dedicated to caring for alzheimer patients for a short period where they evaluate them and determine if a combination of medicines would help him. They will then determine if he is able to return home or if he needs to be in long term care. I know it is so hard to do that but at this point you aren't doing either one of you any good.
In almost ever town of any
In almost ever town of any size there will be found a care givers support group. Put the word out , and also let others know that you are streched. Let your siblings know, your children know, your friends know, your neighbors know. Perhaps one or more of them will step in and let you go away for a week or ten days. Lastly, remember self--you are no good to anyone else if you are not good to yourself. Good Luck
myself and my mother care
myself and my mother care for my stepfather,who suffers from cerebral amyloid angiopathy,which is a mirror image of alzheimers,my mum is 74 its to much stress for my mum now,i would carry on but i come home each night,my mum health is not so good also.you have to think about yourself now,as hard as it your not being selfish,you have cared for your husband for a long time,the time has come for us also put my stepfather in a good and caring nursing home.you are an angel the same as my mum.look for the best care home you can find.look at csci they are inspectors for care and nursing homes,you take care and start looking after yourself.
Orcata, my life has become
Orcata, my life has become this as well. I am the advocate for my husband who has failed terribly. My heart just hurts with these things that have happened. My own family doesn't understand. How can you abandon someone who has been so loving?
Should I or shouldn't I?
Hi my father is 72, is retired but works fulltime landscaping in the spring and summer with my brothers business. My father hasn't been to the doctor in 26 years but sleeps good, feels good, eats pretty good, isn't a stressful person and doesn't take any medication. My sister-inlaw and my mother tell him he should go to the doctor to get checked out. My father is italian and hard-headed and gets mad when they say that. I tell him and he even gets made at me. He seems to be fine and says if he ever feels bad enough he'll tell me his son to someday make an appointment for him. My question is should I, my mother and sister-law respect his wishes and leave him alone or should we force him to go get a checkup?
By today's standards, your
By today's standards, your dad is not that old! He could have 20 more years, and it sounds like he has a head start with his health as you describe. Anything can happen to anyone, but I would respect your dad enough to believe when he needs help he will give you a signal. Eating good, working and no stress? Sounds wonderful to me. Leave him alone.
Hi Johnny - I answered your message
in among friends discussion
Alzheimer's Walk
My grandmother was my best friend
growing up and the person I went to
for advice. Now she can't even speak
my name. She is in a nursing home
and I am the only one in our family
who is advocating for her care
(besides my mother). Because this has
been so utterly heartbreaking, I do not
want to see other families go through
what we have gone through so I am
trying to find sponsors for the
Alzheimer's Association walk to help
find a cure. Would you consider
making a donation? If so, please copy
and paste the following into your
browser:
http://alznyc.kintera.org/faf/r.asp?
=
Hello Teddy
Your mission is admirable and I wish you the best of luck, however, it is against this site's rules to solicit funds.
As host I'm supposed to request that you remove the post (or it can be done for you). Please read the conditions of membership and adhere.
Alzheimer's Association would be more than willing to help you organize such a fund raiser without soliciting strangers on line.
A good place to start is your local council to make sure that such an undertaking has 'their blessing', another venue is you church.
All the best in your efforts.\\ Host oiseau
whoa is me
LGREC20,...Sorry I don't see how caring for someone who doesn't believe they need a carer could be more difficult....the person who are trying to care for obviously treasures his independence and doesn't feel ready to give it up just yet. In this case your role should be one of lending support rather than physically doing things. However I know how frustrating it can be watching someone struggling when help is at hand,but that is something you have to come to terms with.Once you accept his need for some independence you should be able to talk to him about him recognising the limits of his capabilities and you can then sit back and let him get on with things and just be ready with a helping hand when he needs it.
whoa is me
Being a caregiver to someone
who doesn't believe he needs
one, is more difficult than
the actual job.
Guilty Caregiver
I have enjoyed the lessons on caregiving. The last time I did not keep up with them but this time I am.
I know for a fact, I am not alone. My entire office is starting to go thru this and we are going together. We compare notes. It keeps us sane.
Mom is 85 and her memory is going. She was so depressed over Dad's death in 1997; she still won't let go.
I know depression; high blood pressure; many other things can do a job on Memory.
She is a champion guilt tripper and never misses a chance to pull one.
She has very slanted selective memory trips.
I am learning to close my ears and ignore her completely in the room when she starts in or "Whatever" does a great trip back.
She knows that means No Way Jose~.
I write her checks, take her shopping, clean up around the house, get contractors over there to fix things and she turns them away. Excuses.
After she accepts one of them; I never hear the end of it because she says something is always wrong now.
I try to call once a day because I live over 50 miles away and work full time, own my own home, have 3 dogs and do volunteer work.
I try getting up to her once a week and she refuses to come to my home.
I'm glad I have a support system to help keep me sane.
Hello Diane......I'm glad that you found us here
Sometimes I wonder if people can find their way around TA.
Just venting and sharing your life mind set about the situation helps tremndously'
Invite some of your friends to post here, I'd love to read their feelings and experiences.
Yes! we can all help one another.
If music be the food of love,play on..
How true...
and funnily enough,that's why I had to look up the lyrics..basically to check that i hadn't misheard them.lol
Whilst out walking....
my dog yesterday evening,I was listening to some music and a song sung by Joe Cocker came on entitled Standing Knee Deep in a River and I was particularly struck by some of the lyrics which went..
"Friends I could count on,I could count on one hand with a left over finger or two.I took them for granted and let them all slip away,now where they are I wish I knew.
They roll by just like water and I guess we never learn.Go through life parched and empty,standing knee dep in a river and dying of thirst".
I discoverd this morning that these words were written by Don Williams and I now wonder what inspired them becuase in the context of recent messages here they are so true to life...
Hello Welsh Lion.............
Music and lyrics often reflect deep rooted feelings and there are some that become relative at the times we need to hear them.
There is a therapy based on the theory that music can heal, plants have been known to grow better, pets seem more content with certain kinds of music.
We humans have the added benefit of comprehension of text........well........depending on who's singing we can understand! ha ha ha ha
Lonliness of the caregiver
my problem is not keeping her entertained indoors,she has her crafts (card making and ceramics)to do that..I can even get her to go out,as long as it is to do shopping and on a limited budget as we are,that is not always an option.
Quite simply the problem is getting her to go and visit our friends and as a consequence we have lost contact with more than a few of them,I know or believe,that in most cases they would welcome us with open arms but trying to be understanding of the wife's problems they are awaiting us to make the first move..
I know the only real answer to this is to keep trying to encourage the wife to move but it ain't working out that easy...but thanks for allowing me the space to clear my chest,so to speak...
Tha's what these discussions were
designed for way back when TA started in July '97, I joined in early '98
For the members and guests to have a space enabling them to feel less alone, sometimes with problems and sometime their joys but the unerlying onus was to be part of a community.
It has been proven over and over that sharing with like kind mind sets ease and many sitiations are lessened in intensity knowing that we're not alone.
Keep sharing and keep on having a positive attitude.
xoxoxox oiseau
Lonliness of the caregiver
Thanks for the advice Oisseau,as it happens I've always contented myself with walking my dog of an evening which brings me into contact with other dog owners and 2 weeks ago I started doing a computer course which gets me away for 2 hours once a week...In the past when i've tried to find activities to give me a break it has always come to an end following her incessant nagging(life is never easy is it???..lol)about me being away but this time i'm determined to see it through..
How pleased your word make me.
It is imperitive to remain healthy, mentally as well as physically, for all caregivers lest they deplete their energy.
It would be an added bonus to get your spouse interested in something as well, such as crosswords.
Set up with a special crossword dictionary, pencil and eraser she could enjoy quite a lot of time in completing the daily paper's offering.
My parents loved to do the puzzles.............Mommy would start it and when she tired Daddy would finish it when he had spare time from his chores. xoxoxoxo
Excellent healthcrisis management tool for caregivers
I found an awesome planner and organization tool I just wanted to let you know about. I was totally impressed with it to say the least, with the beauty of its organization and design. I want to share this with all, since it has provided me help in multitude ways and can help any caregiver or families. It explains that it was designed to be a source of stability and comfort in the event of an emergency, or the day-to-day stress of dealing with health issues. It has a software version you can use to create a complete medical history electronic profile to be carried by you or your loved one. I hope everyone takes this to heart. Their website is www.theguidetogoodcare.com I pray this can help others as it did for me.
My uncle told me just the
My uncle told me just the other day that having all medications organized he was able to find out his father was taking twice the same medication. He was prescribed by two different doctors with two different brand names. His father was taking twice as much dosage! He took his organized list of medications to both doctors and indicated to stop immediately taking one. His father could have die of over dosage. Please, if you are a caregiver, pay attention to this. Some folks are taking thirteen or fifteen medications at one given time and managing this becomes chaotic. For every medication, record when to start, when to stop, frequency and dosage and who prescribed and the reason for taking. Keep it handy for the nurse or other caregivers taking turns in watching over for mom or dad. I hope this helps!
GREAT advice Paul - thanks
logging ongoing diagnostic monitoring data
The other day, talking again to my uncle about caregiving, he mentioned that his father had an advantage of logging his ongoing diagnostic monitoring data. When his father suffered his second stroke he was able to provide this data immediately. That was one huge advantage. Another one he noticed was during regular doctor visits. When the physician saw my uncle was asking and logging his father pulse, blood pressure, blood sugar and weight, the doctor felt more responsible about him. The physician wanted to make sure data was logged correctly and instructed his nurse to double check results before they would leave. Instead of providing the typical five minute visit, they turned into no less than fifteen minutes visits. Because of this, his father received more and better quality of attention. My uncle finished saying this simple management tool was -indirectly- able to provide better care!
Hello Summer
I haven't checked back here for a few days and just saw your message. It sounds (reads) like your responsibilities are like my husband's although I can one-handed care for myself like dressing and washing myself in the shower as I sit on a shower stool. We do not socialize becaause neither of us craves it but each have a computer and while my husband likes to watch TV I prefer to read. I applaud your quilting Have you tried to find a caregiver's support group? Your wife's doctor may know where you can contact one. Also AARP can suggest support groups.
Good luck to you,
Lonliness of the caregiver
Reading the bit in Renee's message about how her and her husband don't socialise saddened me.
Over the past few years as my wife's disabilities have gotten worse I'm finding that she wants to socialise less and less which in turn means I also socialise less and while the internet is a great help it lacks the personal touch that one gets when making person to person contact with family and friends.
What I have difficulty in understandering is why this situation starts in the first place,it's easy to see how it develops though because once it has started it is easier(for a carer) to let things go rather than continually battle.
About lonliness.................
It starts mainly because the person afflicted becomes depressed and is not eager to be in any situation that emands his/her doing anything that requires effort.
It's never too late to correct the situation. If your wife really doesn't wish to be social it shouldn't stop you the caregiver from havig healthy relationships outside of your duties as a spouse.
There are many things one can do like joining a Tai Chi class, coffee/Tea afterward and chat.
I too don't believe in battles so simply don't engage in them. State asfact that you need time out and you're going to take it in order to be complete and healthy to meet her needs.
Let's hear how you make out. Bye for now....oiseau
I also care about others
Being a caregiver is a large burden which I experienced many years ago when I became my mother's "mother". On the other hand it can also be difficult to be the one being cared for which I learned after having a stroke which left me partly disabled 10 years ago. I have seen both sides of the caregiving situation which has given me a broad understanding of the emotions those involved experience.
Summer,
Some of us here understand.
you are a brave women
dear renee, i believe you did alot to your mother and the burden u have taken realy has inspired me alot
Thank you for the nice words Sakku
My dear mother is now gone and at peace as is my husband's mother. We did our best to make their last years good for them. That's what caretaking is about to do one's best to help the troubled loved one.
Seeing both sides
Makes one very wise.
You are a very wise woman, Renee. :)
I think a lot if not most people care Summer
But I also know that each individual has a unique set of circumstances, abilities, strength, and know how when faced with a situation.
I also know that people are reared in different environments which accounts for their ability or desire or the lack thereof to care about others.
Sometimes caring means looking out for the highest good for all people concerned (like in a family situation) rather than just the desires or wishes of one person.
There are a lot of older adults that are in the care of their children who hardly have the ability to undertake such a commitment and all suffer for it. Or in some extreme cases there is elder abuse.
Every situation must be evaluated individually. But it must be taken into account that any judgment a person makes of whether or not they or someone else is truly caring person is a subjective rather than objective assessment.
So to answer your question, "Is there anyone who really cares about others? I would say, generally, yes and no.
You assume no one is interested in what you have to say. Hmmmmm...Then why did I respond? ;)
But this is all just one person's individual opinion and thoughts. Perhaps some others will be able to give you another point of view.
I hope whatever your situation, you will find peace and resolution.
Brenda
Depression
My husband has previously been
diagnosed with clinical depression and was recently hospitalized for pulmonary problems. He is home now and believes at age 77 that his purpose for living is now gone as his body ages. He is on a new antidepression medication but still I am afraid when I have to leave the house that he will attempt something. He is former military and was a licensed rifle and pistol instructor. I have removed all weapons from the house and the various meds he takes have been put in a secure place. Does anyone have any suggestions for something he can do while he is homebound that will assist others and help him to feel useful?
Hello Joy.........
Your code name gives me a clue to the fact that you have hope, good girl.
There are many things for him to do and please tell him that my parents were active into their nineties so 77 is not that old. It's all relative.
He can do volunteer to help stuffing envelopes for a local agency, they can bring them to him and pick them up.
That's just one idea.......maybe others who visit here will come up with other ideas.
He can also go to the library or hospital and read to sick children.......MUCH to do and not enough time.
All the best..........oiseau
the meeting
I hope you had a blast this holiday weekend. For me, it was a memorable one. Not only did my family do something together for the first time in a long time, but our meeting was a success. Information was discussed and feelings were expressed. I think this could be a new chapter in my life.
To summarize, my grandma didnt agree on having a caregiver spend some time and help take care of her. She said when her health starts to fail her more she will let me know and we can pursue a caregiver plan. She did however agree to join the local church group. They will come and pick her up to play cards and just help her by taking her to appointments. This was such a burden lifted off my shoulders. My grandma agreed and voiced her opinion to my mother and father that I have been doing so much for her and no one else has been helping out. She told them that they need to take a more active role. She apologized to me for being selfish and told me she enjoys the time I spend with her but I can really get on with other things. She said if she really needs me shell just give me a call. She lives about 20 minutes away so I told her I would come over for dinner once a week and just come over for a quick chat when I could. She was more than happy with that. She said I had been doing so much for her that she felt sorry for me but kind of got used to the attention she was getting.
We also discussed some medical alarm companies. My grandma agreed that one would be good for her in the case of an emergency and no one was there. This way, she could just push a button and help would be on the way either by paramedics or a family member, most likely me. She liked the independence this would give her but also the security and comfort of knowing she wasnt alone. There were a few companies which seemed really good but the one we decided on was the American Senior Safety Agency. Their director comes straight out and answers some serious questions on the home page which no other company I've researched addressed. He didnt push his company as being the best which a lot of other companies do. I like the truthfulness and honesty of this company. Their site is seniorsafety.com. I dont know, but sometimes you just get a feeling when something is good and this felt like the right choice for our family.
I wanted to thank you again for all your help and kind responses. You have helped me come to a decision that something needed to be done and you offered me guidance on how to accomplish this. Thanks to our family meeting, I have been granted freedom for myself to spend time with my fiancé and to advance in my career. At the same time my grandma has no hard feelings. She said she was waiting for this to happen but she was playing along with it for as long as she could. She made it clear that she wants me to make a life for myself. She said just to visit her once in a while. How could I not!! The time I spent with her has changed my outlook on life and I have learned valuable skills which books and a career and all the traveling in the world cant teach you. Love and family are the most important things in your life. Work on strengthening these bonds and everything else will fall into place. Ill keep in touch and let you know how things are progressing.
Best Wishes and Many Thanks,
Eric
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