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Osteoporosis Support

Share your personal experience with osteoporosis in this discussion.

Tell others about your modified lifestyle and diet and helpful books and medicine.

We are here to help each other live active and full lives with this bone disease.

Betterbones.com?

Does anyone read the articles at this site? Dr. Susan Brown talks about acid/alkaline balance and how avoiding acid foods (like coffee) is important to stop bone leaching. I'm finding it really fascinating and am wondering if anyone else follows the site?
Rethinking osteoporosis

Hello, How are you? I saw

Hello,
How are you? I saw your profile today at http:(www.thirdage.com)and feel like contacting you.I feel we may become matches(liliankuru@yahoo.com) is my contact. Kindly make a contact if you are interested, so that i can send you my picture for you to know who iam meanwhile my name is Lilian. I will appreciate it if you give a good responds.Thanks and remain blessed.
(Remember the distance,color or age does not matter but love matters alot in life)

does anyone know of any vegan hrt

Really struggling to find a vegetarian ir vegan HRT,can anyone help.

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If you haven't received an

If you haven't received an invitation yet ... here it is!

It's Party Time

Click on graphic to go to the party pages.

By gingersnap
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But paying $130.00 for a

But paying $130.00 for a "consultation" by phone..and then the doctor prescribes for you? Then you buy your meds from them?

Why not get a 'script from your own doctor and send that to one of the online pharmacies?

Buying Pain Meds Online

Anyone tried www.aaamedsworldwide.com ?
I use them for getting strong pain meds.
Don’t get me wrong they have been very good to me, but if we can let each
other know about good sites like this, it could probably benefit everyone in
pain.
Let me know if you have used them or better still any good sites that
you use.
Sorry if this is posted in the wrong place. But I thought it was
useful.
Liz

By KNUGURU
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PHARMA'S DIRTY LITTLE SECRET

Pharma's dirty little secret
I got this off my market board this am. The drug industry's deadly little secret
that almost nobody knows!
Today's $$48-billion$$ drug industry is hiding a deadly little secret: 106,000 deaths and 2.2 million injuries a year from drug side effects. That makes prescription drugs—even when taken exactly as prescribed—the fourth leading cause of death in this country. Not much of a cure. What if you discovered five companies that use the newly mapped human genome sequence to predict how you individually will respond to drugs?
Their patented "bioinformatics" technologies could save hundreds maybe thousands of lives a year. Imagine: Drugs with a market of one. One person, for whom the drug will be designed to be nearly 100% effective.
This reality may be closer than you think.
The great thing for investors is, virtually no one knows anything about it.
Yet. If you think infotech was big, wait until you really learn about biotech. Because when the scribes write the history of our time, the bursting of the tech-bubble won't be the lead story. The lead story will be biotech—specifically, the genomics revolution.

By KNUGURU
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HYDRATING TAKES TIME

Water seems so simple and yet is so important for Osteoporosis. According to the Bottom Line magazine we should be hydrating daily, one half of our weight in pounds, in ounces of water: ex 160 lb person should be consuming 80 oz of water daily 10X8 oz glasses. Look at it as a simple therapeutic process and according to the article it will take about 4 weeks for your body to be completely hydrated and the physical returns in benefits to become apparent. Hey worth a try };^).

By KNUGURU
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RESTLESS LEG SYNDROME

You do know what a syndrome is? no!! well niether does anyone else. There are half a dozen things could be the problem. Always suspect a calcium or Vit-B Folic Acid deficiencies in the extremities. I had trouble with RLS caused by Tylenol an allergic reaction also Ice cream does me in the legs overnight. You might look for something you may eat B/4 bed benign for some and reactive for you. I take soft gel one and all a one a day Multi-Vit and alternate mineral oils soft gels to prevent a reaction, Flax Seed, Borage, Evening Primrose, Cod Liver, Black currant, and DHA, at night just before I go to bed. Sleep good and wakeup refreshed. Works for me, may help worth a try. A good ND should help you a lot. Good Luck!

By OOBOBBI
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knee freeze

after working and running in the job i will sit down. when i get up my knees hurt and its hard to walk. when i go to bed i wake up with my legs throbbing. any ideas

By KNUGURU
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THERE YA GO GINGER

Evista a HRT for people with a nutritional problem go figure. I wonder why physicians do that I guess its just the popular thing to do according to PDR published by Drug corporations. OH WELL!!

By gingersnap
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I don't know about Fosamax.

I don't know about Fosamax. I've had good results with Miacalcin spray and Evista.

By KNUGURU
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QUEST ¿

Anybody having any luck with Fosamax?

By KNUGURU
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SOME NUTRIENTS FOR PAIN

GINGER, CURCUMIN, TURMERIC, & BROMELAIN All seem to work in wonderous ways.The medical field may be taking your health to heart for a change. More physicians are being advised to learn about Nutritional therapies, for long term recovery expectations. Arthritis and Rheumatism stand at the top of that list with great anticipation. This was an excerpt from the JAMA worth a try.
November 2001 (Volume 44, Number 11)
Effects of a Ginger Extract on Knee Pain in Patients With Osteoarthritis
Altman RD, Marcussen KC
Arthritis Rheum. 2001;44:2531-2538
There has been increasing interest in the use of herbal agents for the treatment of osteoarthritis. A recent article by Altman and Marcussen reported a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of the use of a ginger extract for treatment of osteoarthritis of the knee. This study was well designed and carefully conducted, and it received extensive coverage in the general press and radio, leading to many phone calls from patients.

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MEDSCAPE OSTEOPOROSIS RESOURCE CENTER

This is a good site for a book mark and some study from time to time its main stream medical links. MEDSCAPE LINKS there's a lot of good stuff out there. Good Luck

By KNUGURU
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OSTEOPOROSIS CURED?

Things are looking up we may be, make that, we are on the brinks of cures for several diseases considered chronic now for hundreds if not thousand of years. Molecular Biology with a DNA protein twist, seems to be making a break through in the manufacturing of Bones which may help restore our Osteoporosis bones. PARATHYROID HERE WE COME Picked this up off Medscape this morning. Sounds like a promising new Therapy wafting in the scientific winds.We can only hope.

By JusJane
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Also in CA.

Gentle stretch yoga is good to do - no downward dog positions - good videos - Bone Building Workout - Coach Hammer - to help prevent and slow down osteoporosis - also Be Bone Wise - Lisa Hoffman MA - for up to date info, visit national osteoporosis foundation - hope that helps.

Thanks for the reply and

Thanks for the reply and advice, Sue.

By KNUGURU
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QUACKS ARE NOT BIRDS OF A FEATHER MORE LIKE FREE THINKERS

Doctor Wright is a graduate of Harvard and University of Michigan school of medicine. Wrote a column for prevention magazine for years and has authored three books. I was having a lot of Allergy problems it was interfering with my life. A nurse at the University of Washington on the Q/T told me about him and his Tahoma clinic in Kent Washington. I finally called for an appointment took about 3 months to get in and within a year I was over my 37 years, of food and contactant allergies. I can not tell you how overwhelming the relief was. Then about 10 years later I was having trouble with an Erratic Heart and Hemotologist was putting me on 2 or 3 types of medicine and I reacted to one of them. Called Dr Wright took a couple months again, he put me on Vit-B, Folic Acid and Magnesium Injections I/M. Hemotologist kicked me out of his office next visit as cured. Then I was having trouble with Osteo Arthritis from working as a Marine Electrician in a shipyard. Couldn't sleep soooo being a bit educated on supplements by then took some contaminated L-Tryptophan sparingly I might add and caught Eosinphilis Myalgia Syndrome. Let me explain Eosinphilia is counted in blood studies occasionally when asked for, Myalgia is Arthritic like, Syndrome mean we haven't got a clue you got it and we all, wonder what it is. A Rheumatologist, I didn't like, sent me to a Neurologist, we got along very well. About that time I was in a wheel chair and couldn't stand up very long, I watch Merv Griffiths TV show and some woman had all my symptoms and discovered her Eosinphilas were very high and it was a marker for this malady. Doctor Richardson the Neuroligist based on this blood count sent me to a Hemotologist and he started me on Prednisone, which was worse than the disease. Dr Richardson a friend told us I had maybe a couple years, to get our business in order. Mind you this had all taken about 2 years jumping doctor to doctor and dieing all along the way. Called Dr Wright he prescribed Quadruple doses of Quercitin-C and Free Radical Quenchers on the phone with in a week I was feeling better off the prednisone and function pretty well now with some residual damage Peripheral Nerve Neuropathy. Not in the Wheel chair but don't run the 8 minute mile anymore, lucky to be able to walk a mile now. Have survived 12 years past the 2 they gave me in 1988. If your inclined you can contact Dr Wright's Tahoma Clinic online just GOTO TahomaClinic and listen for the frog!! He is a an educational Doctor and his clinic and books reflect it.

By gingersnap
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You always cite only the one

You always cite only the one doctor, Knuguru. If this is so universally true, why aren't the other researchers speaking out...as they did on tobacco, etc.?

Of course the dairy industry pays for milk advertising, just just as the pork check off pays for pork advertising and the beef checkoff pays for beef ads, and the insurance industry pays for insurance ads...etc., etc.,etc.

I'd just like to see information from other than one doctor cited as the one and only truth.

By KNUGURU
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MILK IT DOES A BODY GOOD?

Well lets hit the dairy trail you challenged me Ginger lets give it a go. I found several entries by Physicians milk studies in the schools program for FDA so forth it was a funny thing there were so many problems, but overall they had to conclude it is a good school lunch program. I then went over to Doctor Wrights Book of Nutritional Therapies, copyright 1979, no home should be without it. He co-authored The Patients Book of Natural Healing copyright 1999 with Dr Gaby. I digress lets get down to the nitty gritty. Cows Milk advertising actually the dairy industry pays money into the government coffers for their milk it does a body good lobby. DAIRY INDUSTRY MONEYSome people have had to learn some of milks hardest lessons it does not do all bodies good.A LIVING LEARNING EXPERIENCE
This is a bit extreme but poignant for some EXTREMES
Now the Dairy industry is contributing to to a public health hazard
BREAST AND PROSTATE CANCER
In spite of all this milk is still a source of Calcium but should be taken with a grain of salt so to speak. Not a good reliable source. Along with all of the above 80 to 90% of African, Asians, Southern Europeans, Indians domestic and foreign are lactose intolerant. A point well taken in the FDA study causing nausea, diarrhea, intestinal cramping, or bloating, not a good thing in schools I would say. Then milk is the leading cause of Allergens for Nasal congestion, Asthma, Arthritis, Ulcerative Colitis, Peptic Ulcers, recurrent Ear infections, Manic Depressive psychosis, and various skin problems and bed wetting. Then we re-enter the generic propensity with milk as an indicator for Attention Deficit Hyper Active, Type-1 Juvenile Diabetes and later on in life Heart disease from Xanthine-Oxidase, not counting the fat and cholesterol accumulated along the way. Hey don't get me wrong I enjoy a glass now and then and suffer some of the above symptoms including Restless Leg symptoms and bladder incontinence. None of which seem to raise their ugly head until I take it day after day. I used to enjoy a dish of ice cream every night B/4 bed, no more.

By KNUGURU
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GOT THIS OFF MY YAHOO

There's some pretty tough figures there and its from iVillage for women only information. Its worth some friendly sales here and there, a little subjective conversation may save some Quality of life for an innocent along the way.
10 Facts to Know about Osteoporosis
by the National Women's Health Resource Center
1. As many as eight million U.S. women have osteoporosis, and another 13 to 17 million have low bone density at the hip, putting them at risk for developing the disease. Half of all women over age 50 will have an osteoporosis-related fracture in the years ahead. Significant risk has been reported in people of all ethnic backgrounds.
2. Three out of four women have not discussed bone health with their healthcare professional or been screened for osteoporosis. Seventy-one percent of women with osteoporosis don't even know they have it, and 86 percent with the disease are not being treated. Make an appointment today to discuss your personal health risks for osteoporosis.
3. Smoking, abusing alcohol and excessive thinness increase your risk for developing osteoporosis. Likewise, if you don't exercise, or if you exercise too much, your risk for developing osteoporosis increases.
4. Bones that are calcium rich are less likely to break. Be sure your diet provides at least 1,000 to 1,200 mg of calcium daily to help keep your bones strong. Drinking or eating three dairy products a day provides the recommended daily intake of calcium, but most women fall short of this requirement.
5. Menopause increases your risk for developing osteoporosis because your estrogen levels decline. Estrogen helps keep bones strong.
6. Hormone replacement therapy following menopause can help prevent osteoporosis because it restores estrogen to your body. Other types of treatments that prevent bone loss or strengthen bones are also available.
7. Without treatment, women lose the most bone mass — as much as 25 percent to 30 percent — in the first five to seven years following menopause. Because of declining estrogen levels after menopause, a woman's ability to naturally maintain bone structure is seriously depleted. However, not everyone needs treatment for their bones. Bone density testing helps target those at greatest risk.
8. A bone density test measures the structure and strength of your bones to determine your risk of developing osteoporosis. This test is not usually performed until after menopause, unless you are at high risk for developing osteoporosis. It is quick, painless and non-invasive. Medicare and many commercial insurers pay for testing for individuals at risk and those with osteoporosis.
9. Bone loss rates can be slowed by regular weight-bearing and muscle-strengthening exercises. Activities such as walking, jogging, and playing tennis help to strengthen bones and connective tissue.
10. There is no "CURE" for osteoporosis. However, it is preventable and treatable. You can help prevent bone loss and fractures from osteoporosis with proper diet, exercise and medications when necessary. You all know how I feel about Nutrition a Nutritional Doctor ND, would be a good first stop for a possible "CURE" as well as the Medical Doctors MD, "TREATMENT" only for the impossible "CURE" quoted above. Just some thought should do and may help one of the many women and men now developing this malicious disease in their everyday exsistence.

By gingersnap
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It's interesting that the

It's interesting that the National Institutes of Health say:

An adequate dietary intake of dairy products that are fortified with Vitamin D and exposure of the body to sunlight can prevent osteomalacia caused by Vitamin D deficiency in adults.

Use of very strong sunscreen, limited exposure of the body to sunlight, short days of sunlight, and smog are factors that decrease formation of Vitamin D within the body

Source: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000376.htm#altNames

I doubt that the NIH is basing its research on the need for dairy products to prevent osteomalacia on the advertising of cows.

By KNUGURU
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MILK IS A POOR CHOICE FOR CALCIUM

Contrary to popular beliefs mainly promoted by Advertising cows milk and its many side products is and is not a good source of calcium. Most of the worlds population can not tolerate it and only a minority of the Caucasian do well with cows milk. Cows milk is for Calves and human milk for babies, this fact alone may account for so many colicky babes and the subsequent breaching of their immune systems in life. Human symptoms, including babies, of milk intolerance include, excessive intestinal gas, then constipation, and maybe even Diarrhea all symptoms of colic in babies and more easily described by adults. Even among those that tolerate cows milk it frequently is implicated in Sinus and Allergies symptoms and Rheumatoid or degenerative Arthritis. You can test milk tolerance with the 5 day fast method no milk products of any kind nada total abstinence for at least 5 days then pig out on milk products for a couple days. Be careful it can be a painful learning experience been there done that.
There's evidence that diets high in animal protein tends to predispose women in menopause and post menopause to osteoporosis and osteomalacia its an acidity, phosphorus, thing. hindering some of lifes most enjoyable years. Alternative food sources of calcium include the green vegetables and tops,Soy beans, Sardines and Salmon. Dietary evidence reveals more every day that optimal health depends on supplements. You really need to find a Magnesium Calcium balance not over do Calcium. A good ND "Nutritional Doctor" can be invaluable with their nutrient studies considered Quackery by AMA physicians. Hair and Blood studies are very revealing in this field.

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CONSUMER LAB REPORT ON IRON JUST OUT

FROM STIVERS LAST RESORT AT THE LAKES GIG HARBOR WASHINGTON

HOME-PAGE

MEDEM

COMPMEDICO

VITAMINHEALING

By JusJane
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50' With Osteoporosis

Yes, I agree, all the ads are geared to women aged 60+ - I am continuing my life - exercise every day with weights, take light aerobics, yoga, no forward bends or twists, and step classes. I do not take hrt, but just recently started Actonel. I take calcium with mag., vit d, and various other vitamins. I intend to live my life normally.

By KNUGURU
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VITAMIN-D

Seen on the NIA press board. VITAMIN-D A must supplement for proper Osteoporosis therapy, may be deficient and worth a blood test. Vitamin-D and Calcium seem to rely on each other for a Nutritional healthy level of BMD support. Sneaking up on your window of therapy for Calcium bears watching Calcium is a tough source of Kidney stones. Finding a comfortable maintenance level may just be the goal for curing this malady. I'm happy to say 70mg Fosamax once a week and Oscal in the morning and Oscal-D at night seems to be working for me. Hip pointer has not raised its ugly head now for over a month. I usually coast a day here and there at least once a week on drugs and Supplements helps with tolerance I'm sure.

By KNUGURU
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WHY OUR LIVING AGING PROCESS¿

OXYGEN This is where life on earth starts and finally stops. A good thing one we all have to live with. Every day we each and everyone goes through a regenerated DNA process. Millions of our cells get chewed up and spit out a constant ongoing DNA regenerative process, most pretty well go through this process without much trouble. When however the process runs up against a Free Radical the cell in process is deformed mutated so to speak and thus we grow a little older. Free Radicals are an extra Electron that keeps bumping about in roughly every 1 million atoms of oxygen. This is the universal rascal that causes iron to rust, Fruit to rot and people to grow old, its called in some circle's Oxidation. Oxygen go figure can't live without it and can't live forever with it. You all know an Electron is a small negative particle of an Atom, it participates in the law of Physics "like repel and unlike attract". They tend to balance out the elements nuclease and protons with the exceptional Free electron that disrupts our basic life expectancy. This, now a new field of exciting adventure for Molecular Science, that changes from day to day. The Hayflick theory was short lived 3 to 6 months. OUR AGING PROCESS Over time we all get new regenerated bodies everything including now known brain cells. they used to think you were stuck with these cells for life, not so. The process though never completed takes about 7 years. When we get to our 8th process, procedure, body , Oxidation has pretty well established its ratty little head in certain joints and organs of our system. It is usually a Nutritional thing that tends to accelerate with age and of course environmental. Arthritis shows up in our joints lubrication processes or wear and tear from work. Osteoporosis pops right out in a Bone Mineral Density test. Structurally we have taken a hard Free Radical hit and need to go after the suckers with Supplements for restoration and "Free Radical Quencher" for Vitamins and Minerals deficient in our bodies absorption processes. The same goes for soft tissue's Heart, from poor diet management. Lungs, from cigarettes or poor ventilation. Skin now that's the big one susceptible to solar energy and chemicals. All other organs or muscles including their nerve controllers. Nutritional Doctors can attribute most if not all these problems to your Stomachs lack of, or loss of, its "Free Radical Quenching" functions. Gradual failure to produce the digestive acids and proper reactive chemicals reduces the absorption over time and Free Radicals accelerate in a most discomforting way in many cases. Postponing the Free Radical process is the best you can hope for. The sooner the better it is a study worth some time.

By KNUGURU
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NUTRITIONAL THERAPIES

TNP ADAM DHEA Seen on ThirdAge "The Natural Pharmacy" encyclopedia by Adam. This is the view from the Nutritional camp. A lot of good stuff here worth a bookmark or save and research from time to time. DHEA is not the mainstream medical concern with Osteoporosis and well it should not be, as DHEA is a trace element in bone density production and other structural health. Calcium is the main problem difficult to absorb when our Pancreas slows down with age. The fluids in our stomach loose their punch sometimes and we start to slip or show our age and get the several aging marker diseases of this malady. A good ND '"Nutritional Doctor" should be on your medical staff, after the original encounter, I go to my ND every other year for a physical. They, ND's, take a different path to healing therapies sometimes better, most time complimentary, to standard medical practices. With in the scope of this disease you need to be knowledgable about Vit-B, A, & D, Magnesium and the several Mineral supplements available. I always go for Soft-Gel then tablets and my last choice capsules for supplementary remedies. Soft-Gels are easier digested and capsules some times not at all.

By KNUGURU
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DHEA EXCERPTS

Sorry about that got to be a cookie thing. Here's the gist of it cut way! way! way! down.

Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) and its active metabolite, DHEA sulfate (DHEAS), are endogenous hormones synthesized and excreted primarily by the zona reticularis of the adrenal cortex in response to adrenocorticotropic hormone. The exact mechanism of action and clinical role, if any, of DHEA and DHEAS remain unclear. Epidemiological data indicate an inverse relationship between serum DHEA and DHEAS levels and the frequency of cancer, cardiovascular disease (in men only), Alzheimer's disease and other age-related disorders, immune function, and progression of HIV infection.

Uses
Clinically substantiated (yet still controversial) uses of DHEA include replacement therapy in patients with low serum DHEA levels secondary to chronic disease, adrenal exhaustion, or corticosteroid therapy; treating systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), improving bone density in postmenopausal women; improving symptoms of severe depression improving depressed mood and fatigue in patients with HIV infection; and increasing the rate of reepithelialization in patients undergoing autologous skin grafting for burns. Other possible uses (with some supporting clinical studies) include enhancing the immune response and sense of well-being in the elderly, decreasing certain cardiovascular risk factors, and treating male erectile dysfunction.

At birth, output drops to negligible amounts in both sexes and remains that way until five to seven years of age. At the onset of adrenarche, the adrenal glands gradually resume DHEA and DHEAS production, which accelerates through puberty. DHEA and DHEAS output is maximal between the ages of 20 and 30 years and then starts a decline of approximately 2% per year, leaving a residual of 10-20% of the peak production by the eighth or ninth decade of life. Serum levels of interleukin- 6 (a proinflammatory cytokine involved in the pathogenesis of osteoporosis, rheumatoid arthritis, atherosclerosis, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, and beta-cell malignancies) increase significantly with age and are inversely correlated with serum DHEA and DHEAS levels

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DHEA ABSTRACT

ANOTHER DAY OF INFAMY I never would have guessed I'd be online in this manner on the last tragic day of INFAMY in our history. I don't remember Japanese hatred becoming a problem for me. We had some friends and they were protected by our families strength and friendship. I'm going to have to research Islam and Muslim religions this Jihad thing against our country sounds a bit perverted some how. Here is the abstract Ginger its from medscape and there were several on the subject. I'm not sure this was the one I referred to in my last posting. I get a mailing from Medscape every week or so and they seem to cover large water front of medical speciality problems makes interesting reading and continuing medical education.MEDSCAPE DHEA ABSTRACT

By gingersnap
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Would you please post the

Would you please post the bibliographic citation to this "some medical interest now in a recent DHEA study just completed." I am interested in both the indication of "some medical interest" and a citation to where one can find this "recent DHEA study just completed."

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DHEA AND HORMNES

DHEA There seems to be some medical interest now in a recent DHEA study just completed. Wonders of wonders the good doctors are discovering the enhanced quality of patients life when given 50mg of DHEA. I'd say they are going overboard but then it is the AMA Physicians most people listen to. Nutritional Doctors have been prescribing 5-10-15mg for women and 10-20-30mg for men depending on your age 40-50-60 for over 20 years now. The therapeutic level of 50mg would require constant medical input and blood studies. Where the smaller amounts are a necessary health maintenance procedure. Maintenance is one of the operative words here also your looking for you personal Window of Therapy, comfort counts with supplements.DHEA seems to be contributing factor to comfort levels of testosterone and estrogen both Hormones deeply involved in Osteoporosis and healthy bone maintenance. You might talk to your doctor about this and depending on Bone Mineral Density study request the associate Blood study for DHEA and in any case supplement a good quality DHEA at the lower daily maintenance level just for comfort. The life and times of normal DHEA are interesting when we are in our twenties it seems to be at its highest level. Sometime around thirty it begins to dwindle and by the time we reach 60 trace if at all. People that supplement it get in some cases amazing results, but most just seem to stay healthy and appear younger longer than those of us that were not appriased of this beneficial hormone along the way.

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THE 3C's OF EXERCISE!!!

MORE YOGA Here is descriptions of some Yoga exercises you might try. The really operative word with any exercise is consistency for constructive consequents the 3C's of any exercise. Consider if you please a date 1 week 1 month and 1 year every week month and year your personal progress. put it in your journal. A daily record or journal of progress is one of the most heartening parts of any recovery from a chronic disease such as this one. Worth a try just do what you can really is a way to go. GOOD LUCK

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I was very pleased with the

I was very pleased with the results of my bone density DEXA test. I had the first one in 1998....have been on Miacalcin spray and Evista..and eat a lot of cheese and drink non-fat skim choc milk. My spine improved from -2.37 to -1.9 and my hips from -2.73 to -2.0.

Doc says to "keep on keeping on" with what I'm doing.

Gingersnap

Your bone-density test

Your bone-density test sounds pretty good, Gingersnap.

Congratulations. : )

Technically, you don't even have osteoporosis anymore.

By KNUGURU
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YOGA IS GREAT

YOGA YA GOTTA LOVE IT Its really a great exercise for Osteoporosis and Arthritis. There's no reason to break a sweat here just slow and easy and do what you can, 2 or 3 times a day, KISS "Keep It Simple Stupid" is the healthy way to go. I usually start the day with Yoga Breathing this exercise helps with Ashtma also take 3 deep breaths in through the nose and out the mouth, in the lower lungs 3 feel it raise your stomach and work the exhale. Then 3 upper lung almost into your neck and 3 for the mid lung ribs. There's a way to practice both nostril,s left and right it is a study worth the time spent. Stretching for flexibility is the only way helps us so much.

Asthma complicates things...

Hi CHM. How about printing out some of the information you have found on exercises and the books which look interesting and helpful and asking your doctor to take a look at them? I know that doctors never seem to have much time, but it would help if he/she could at least tell you what you cannot safely do.

In the Strong Women, Strong Bones there are some exercises to improve balance which are not strenuous, but would be helpful in preventing falls. Of course it's a no-brainer for a physician to tell you to be careful and not fall, but sometimes you just can't prevent it. For example, I've tripped while running and also over my dogs. Thank goodness I broke no bones, but I've had some pretty good shiners.

I think your walks to class are probably helping you, but I imagine the asthma is the problem there. I hope you find time to walk on the days you don't have class. It's really important for anyone with osteopenia or osteoporosis.

Good luck, Sue

Re: gingersnap

Thanks for the reply, gingersnap.

About the issue of walking on ice... happily, this is an osteoporosis issue I left behind when I moved from Chicago to Southern California.

My doctor didn't say much of anything in her short phone call notifying me of the results of my bone density test, mostly just that Fosamax would help much, that I was at high risk for hip fracture, and that I should practice fall prevention (duh).

So, almost all of what I know about osteoporosis is what I've read from books and the Web.

Interesting about your yoga...so your doctor's okay with that? My concern would be the back-bending and twisting movements/postures. But then, what do I know...? This is why I'm here. ; )

Again, thanks.

chm

CHM: re everyday, ordinary matters...

I am 64, have been diagnosed with osteopenia and am taking Miacalcin nasal spray daily. I walk 2 miles a day (most every day), lift weights about twice a week, do stretching exercises, and most everything else I want to do. I am even on a Seniors basketball team.

To keep my shower clean, I make everyone using it squeegee the walls when finished. Then I spray Clean Shower in there several times a week. Voila! No more gunky showers!

I highly recommend Dr. Miriam E. Nelson's books, Strong Women Stay Young and Strong Women, Strong Bones to every woman, young and old whether she is at risk of Osteoporosis or not. I gave all 3 daughters-in-law a copy of the Stay Young book and I have a copy of the strong bones book as well as a video showing some of the exercises using weights. I ordered the books and video from the Tufts University Health and Nutrition Letter, but they are also available at Amazon.com. I think Tufts has a web site, too, but I can't find the URL right now.

Dr. Nelson has lots of tips for living with and conquering osteoporosis. She includes plenty of references, too. Your local library might even have copies of her books.

Good luck, CHM. You don't have to become a couch potato when you have osteo--actually that's the worst thing you can do.

>Good luck, CHM. You don't

>Good luck, CHM. You don't have to become a couch potato when you have osteo--actually that's the worst thing you can do. <

You're absolutely right about the harm in being a couch potato. Exercise is clearly part of the treatment/management for osteoporosis.

I've been having a problem with this in that I have asthma and have something pulled in my hip (yes, my doctor knows). The latter even kept me home-bound way too much this summer because I was afraid to use the long, steep, concrete stairs in and out of my apartment.

My hip is better, though not well right now, and I am more comfortable with my osteoporosis now that I've taken Fosamax for a while and have had some time to get used to my diagnosis.

Also, I recently flew to Kansas to visit my daughter and her family this month. Nothing was going to stop me. ; )

I'm also back to my college now, hauling my backpack and walking across campus from the distant bus stop. That's taking a lot out of me at this point. I hope it gets better. Just the same, it's only one class per week and I'll hang in there, regardless.

Thanks - for both the good-luck wish and for your advice and recommendations.

chm

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YOUR TO MUCH SUE

I wish I were up to that schedule, I'm working on it. Here's the Tufts site Hurl.

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OSTEOPOROSIS

Finding Osteoporosis at such young ages may be a blessing in disguise. Hormones, Estrogen to be exact plays such a big part around 50 or so. The DHEA supplement may help in sustaining your hormonal balance this seems to be its lot in our younger life. We all gradually loose our DHEA level "I'll try to spell it once Dehydroepiandrosterone" after turning 30 and its only a trace if at all by 60. Its a steroid hormone synthesized by the Adrenal gland, testes and ovaries. Now being used for Anti aging hormone and treating age related medical conditions Osteoporosis being one among the many. When supplementing DHEA you need to
look for what they call the therapeutic window the optimal dose at which higher or lower amounts don't seem to work
for you. Start low and work up 5 to 15mg for women and 10 to 30mg for men. Its a drifty thing you need to feel what its doing for or against you.

Try to get access to a treadmill there several reason other than walking and good exercise this you can do going anywhere anytime. A treadmill gives you an opportunity to practice proper walking. Toes straight ahead you can lengthen or shorten your stride with out falling down most have handrails for support. These two exercises work for me whenever I get a hip pointer. Walking can be tough when you get older is tougher due to other aging problems sometimes. When I was 50 if I didn't put on mileage every day I felt sluggish. It wasn't exactly the 8 minute mile but close. I and Roxie my Springer Spaniel enjoyed a good 5 mile run walk 3 or 4 times a week conditioning for Skiing and Backpacking. Decreasing Bone Mineral Density (BMD)would have been devastating at that age and cause, a real personal search. I was 60 and got caught with a weird disease Eosinophilia Malagia Syndrome (EMS), went from the 8 minute mile to a wheel chair within 3 months.

Prednisone was my demise Doctor actually gave me a couple years at the most in 1988 and Prednisone would have done it. A kill for the cure sort of thing the AMA practices now days. A Nutritional Doctor (ND) pulled me off Prednisone and onto Free Radical Quenchers and Quercitin-C and pretty well washed out the EMS within a month, but I was stuck with the peripheral nerve neuropathy. Walking and doing much exercise is almost impossible but well worth the effort. I will always miss the 8 minute mile though. I can't tell you how enjoyable it is once there and how miserable to get to it.
Yoga and soft Thai Chi help a lot and well worth the time.

I had a BMD done in 1990 they were testing me for a Prednisone replacement blind study and you had to have a certain grade level to participate, I didn't make it.
I was surprised to see the difference 11 years could make in the density level most can be attributed to lack of exercise I'm sure. There's another thing keep copies of all your blood studies and test Hearing, BMD, Hair, Eye exams, EKG. X-rays may be to much but doctors readouts all are important to you. GOOD LUCK

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chm: I'm a bit older than

chm: I'm a bit older than you...just turned 60 and I do everything I did before...but I'm very careful when I'm walking on ice and I no longer do one of the exercises at the fitness center...where you push the padded arm forward with your chest...bending at the waist. The RN thought that might cause spinal fractures, so I quit doing that one. (I didn't like that one anyway, so this was a good excuse!0;)

I do try to walk regularly, and I do all the other bending, lifting, twisting I've done. I've taken yoga...and that's all about twisting and bending and I've had no problems.

Did the doctor tell you anything not to do? Mine didn't...just encourages the walking and exercising.

Everyday, Ordinary, Practical Matters

As I mentioned elsewhere here today, I've been diagnosed with osteoporosis, a fairly mild version, with only my hips being osteoporotic (3.4 score), with my spine being in the low-bone-density range(2.2 score). (Wouldn't 2.2 be osteothenia? Whatever. Upshot - my spine's in the zone between normal and osteoporotic.)

To get to the point of my message title above, I've done some reading up on how best to exercise, do housework, and other physical activities when one has osteoporosis. I've taken this advice to heart and am using much of it.

My dilemma and confusion: It seems much of this advice is written primarilly for nursing-home patients, certainly for women 75+.

Where does that leave a 50-year-old (or those of us younger than that) who are still middle-aged, living an active, average - not retired! - middle-aged sort of life?

For example, I haul a backpack around college, have a teen still at home, and have toddler grandsons who like to jump up and down on my lap (doesn't bother me, but I don't know how my bones feel about it).

The osteoporosis advice given says I shouldn't twist or bend (I should be like a tin soldier? A robot? The Tin Man?). That I might try hip pads. How would hip pads work with my short-alls, overalls, jeans? I can hear my college classmates and my teenager and his friends laughing already. Well, I always have been kind of a hippy...

(Sorry.)

What about the matter of housework? What is and what is not doable and advisable for those of us lacking starch in our skeletons?

For instance, I've a tub and a shower stall not getting clean enough, and I'm wondering what to do about that now that I have osteoporosis. Don't know if the budget can accommodate hired help, either.

Yes, the dilemma of those practical, everyday matters for those of us too young to live an elderly lifestyle...

What do you guys do about this??

Spineless & Considering Bubble-Wrap,

chm

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GENES? OR HORMNES? MAYBE BOTH¿

StatIstics worth a read and referrals if you know someone in a hazard loop Osteoporosis seems to run in the gene pool. You can expect problems from Steroids such as PrednIsone and structural Trauma whiplash and the like actually most of todays prescribed drugs are detrimental to your stomachs ability to absorb trace nutrients for health. OSTEOPOROSIS Its not just a geriatric problem anymore. Food and drugs are causing more people problems its a medical discovery in progress. GOOD LUCK.

"Hi!" & Intro

Glad to see you all here. : )

I was diagnosed with osteoporosis last spring as the result of a bone density test.

Upon hearing the word "osteoporosis" applied to my "only" 50-year-old self, I felt as if I had aged 20 years. My doctor also added that I had "a high risk of hip fracture", and that "I should take fall-prevention measures."

She also put me on Fosamax (once a week @ 70 mg). In addition to that, I'm continuing with my "Combipatch" HRT. I've also upped my calcium intake, making sure I get 1500 mg/day, and am watching my caffeine and diet cola intake, etc. I'm trying hard to get going with regular Tai Chi Chih and weight-bearing exercise programs, since such exercise is very important for us "bone-challenged."

chm

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osteoporosis

what is the lowest dose of Estrogen(or is there one), for preventing Osteoporosis?? Thank you so much I am on .05 Triest and .25 Testosterone 20 Mg. of Progesterone daily

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There was an interesting

There was an interesting article in the AOL News Ticker than comes with my AIM about a new test coming out for osteoporosis. The article also talks about the standard medical thinking on what is good for osteoporosis.

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NUTRITIONAL THERAPY FOR OSTEOPOROSIS

Some gems gleaned from Dr Wright's book on Nutritional Therapies, for Osteoporosis. Avoid Milk its for Calves baby cows not humans. Actually he advocates all animal proteins are not good for Osteoporosis don't stop eating meat just cut back. Eat Lots of fruit and veggies cutting back on meat, may help right off. The problem is these proteins tend to leach out Calcium in the normal digestive process. There's another point worth mention most if not all victims suffer low stomach acid it wouldn't hurt to supplement Betaine Hydrochloride with meals up to 5 depending on the size of meal. Over dose leads to Heart burn I take one with meals may up it some now.

Next Doctor visit ask for a Homocysteine blood study caution if it comes back 16 your dead which is an indication the laboratory doesn't know how to do the study. Anything over 12 needs immediate therapy Vit-B and Folic Acid shots I/M (inter muscular) I give myself 100cc Vit-B and 25cc Folic acid once a week these shots are not hard to self administer. You will need a prescription for the serum.

Step up to Soy products they bring an Isoflavinoid to the table that preserves Calcium for bone restoration. Supplementing Calcium is a bit tricky. Oyster shells are OK but your taking on some trace metals from the bottom of the ocean. 1000mg Calcium Citrate or Lactate and 500mg Magnesium Citrate or Aspartate or Glycinate at bed time will work wonders for you over night.

There's a host of other Vitamins and Minerals. I take a soft gel Multi-Vit and alternate 5 or 6 different soft gel minerals. Zinc Picolinate wont hurt skip a couple days a week and slip in some copper on these off days. DHEA now there's one for the books as close as we can get to the fountain of youth. Hard to explain we all seem to hit a high point in our 20's and then gradually loose it till its gone when we hit 60. Supplement DHEA along the way tends to help keep us looking young.
It helps with Osteoporosis even after we are over that hill. Comes 5. 10, 15, and 25mg, start low and work up.

When purchasing Supplements try to get Tablets or Soft Gels not Capsules if possible. Capsule's are not always digested go down and come out the same sometimes. Fosamax should not irriatate your stomach, Esophagus maybe, it should be taken first thing in the morning with big glass of water and stay upright for at least a half hour, don't go back to bed, that way it gets down in the Distal Illium, bottom of the stomach, where it gets the proper digestion.

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