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Late-Life Love: Following Your Own Path

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Today I'm writing more on the subject of Late Life Love: Romance & New Relationships in Late Years the title of my forthcoming book due out in October. One of the proofreaders expressed surprise at the inclusion of a gay couple and also a lesbian couple, Grace and Amelia, who live very openly and have discovered their freedom to make such choices in their later years.

The same-sex couples expressed an attitude not unlike the heterosexual partners who expressed opinions like, "It never really occurred to me to care what my children or the neighbors thought," and "Why would I, in my 70s, give a hoot about what people think?" I found a pattern of independence and maturity in how each couple designed their relationship. Ed had a couple of long-lasting male relationships, but when he met Michael, he was living alone. Michael had been married and had two grown children. Here is some of their story in their own words.

MICHAEL: "My children are now 21 and 18. I think my wife had suspicions that I was gay but she ignored it. She was angry with me after the divorce. We get along better now. She realizes that my being gay wasn't a reflection on her in any way. I never was really physically attracted to my wife but I did love her. I guess I loved her like a sister and I still love her.

"I didn't necessarily expect to find a life partner but I had hoped to meet someone I could trust, who shared the same values I have, someone who I can talk with comfortably about many things, and a person who was also seeking a permanent companionship. I was looking for someone who I could love, who would love me and accept me for who I am. There are some gay men that are never going to interested in a committed relationship but others, like me, want that and seek it out with a permanent liaison in mind."

"I'm a retired teacher by profession. I taught first through third grade over the years. What I do now is work at a gay library. It's the third largest such library in the country. My church serves an inner-city population and they provide tutoring for children that are having learning problems at school. My other job is working there as one of the tutors."

ED: "We don't have money problems. The part-time jobs that Michael has doesn't bring in much income, but we pool our money and get along. I'm taking my Social Security but I still am employed part-time in the kind of work I've done for many years as a graphic designer. We pool all of our money and Michael takes the responsibility of paying the bills. We don't worry about who spends what. Sometimes if it's a bigger expenditure we discuss it first. We don't live extravagantly so the money works out fine."

MICHAEL: "We do many things together. We enjoy going shopping, going to the symphony and to plays, and church activities keep us quite busy. I’ve just registered for a weaving class. That's something I've always wanted to do. And Ed is a painter and although he has neglected that interest for a while, he's going to get back to it now. We both have leisure time and we want to fill it with creative activities that we enjoy."

ED: "I'm sure one of us will end up taking care of the other eventually. I actually look forward to that. What I mean is that I think gay men always worry they're going to end up growing old alone and now we have each other. I don't want you to think Michael and I got together because we don't want to be alone. We put our lives together because we loved each other and we wanted to be a couple."

And here are a few excerpts from my conversation with Amelia, age 65 and Grace, who is 70. On her birthday Amelia gave Grace a diamond ring. With a tear in her eye and a smile on her face, Grace told me: I'm a big believer in ritual and tradition. Maybe being older has made us less concerned about how the world views our being together. I was married to George for twenty years when I met Amelia. George and I weren’t living together at the time but we were still good friends. George and I have a grown son in his forties and I have another son from my first marriage who is almost fifty now. I certainly wasn’t looking for a new relationship. I’ve always had a very full and rich life. I’m an artist and a teacher and my life was full with my art and my teaching and my children. Yet, in both of my marriages, although there were many reasons for the attraction in both marriages, a deep intimacy was always missing from my life. I sometimes I think of the anthropologist, Margaret Mead who had three committed relationships. Her first was for children, her second was for intellectual exchange, and her third was for love. That third one was with a woman. Once I was attracted to Amelia, I never felt a physical attraction to another man or woman. Sometimes I think that this is what mating for life is supposed to be like.

AMELIA: "I had been divorced for about six years and recently ended a relationship and I wasn’t looking for someone to love or to love me. I had everything I needed in my life; I had two children, many friends, a great job as a film producer, and I had a community of colleagues. I guess I was feeling rather smug that my life was complete without a romantic attachment."

"I had previously been married to a very good man and had a good marriage but I still would always consider his career was more important than mine. I felt that people always identified me through him. With Grace, although each of us has our own strengths, we feel equal. We have a calm and steady relationship. It’s the way that it ought to be; you depend on each other, love and respect each other. Sharing my life with Grace has made me healthier, stronger, and a better person. This second half of our lives is, as the psychologist Carl Jung said, a moving towards fullness of being. Grace helps me do that. I can trust my heart and soul and body to her and that’s extremely important and comforting."

GRACE: "Although I’ve slowed up some in these last years our lives are joyous and rich. I feel safe with my partnership and that’s the best thing anybody could hope to have in their life."

Grace and Amelia, Ed and Michael. (pseudonyms) Two of many older couples that shine a light on late-life romance and new relationships.

Susan's picture
I have read this thread with much interest. I am an employed professional female age 54. I was divorced from the father of my children about 15 years ago. I remarried and became a widow in a few years. I began dating a long 'friend' nearly 12 years ago and we have had a consistent relationship. I have an neighbor , a female working professional about the same age. She began giving me some advice on redecorating my home and that was welcome and I saw it as the beginning of a friendship; however, recently she has been making excuses to drop by and has been touching me , my arm, the small of my back, my hair and standing close to me. She has made comments about doing things when the 'boyfriend' isn't around. My problem is that I really don''t want to have any kind of sexual relationship with her. Am I imagining things , is she trying to come on to me ? How do I tell her that I really do not welcome her touches, etc . without being accusatory or hurting her?
amy's picture
Terry, I am admire voices like yours that express their concern for the future of our country and of posterity. I appreciate that you are putting yourself at the forefront of this discussion. I do believe that God created Adam and Eve so they could eventually "go forth and multiply". Same sex couples cannot biologically "go forth and multiply". The world and society is being assaulted by forces that try to make us think so that there are no more standards of behavior or values that we should adhere to. In effect, children get confused and are lost in a "sea of all gray" values. The Scriptures are still the standard and source of contentment and peace of mind . It is to be noted however that because God loves us He will accept repentance (which means we turn away completely from that which He admonishes as not to do) because of the Atonement which wa the evidence of God's great love for us and helping his children who stray to find their way back to Him.
Joan Rhodes's picture
One last comment, Rich. The fact that you didn't read the article in it's entirety tells me something about your character. You judge before you have all the facts in. Why don't you do a little investigating about people who are not JUST like you? And then accept them as God's children.
Rich's picture
Taking a chance by commenting on the topic without reading it in entirety. Don't think I have to because if you endorse same sex couples, gay marriage and that lifestyle , that is the same as encouraging it. So, anyone who does so must want to see more of it and , I'm certainly not in that group. Why , because is's just wrong, period. And, whomever thinks it is right .. we just have to disagree. Rich
Maggie Dow's picture
I as a wife of man who came out later in life. I felt so betrayed and lied to all of my married life. I was still very much in love with my husband and probably still do in some ways. After our divorce when he told me he was gay ; I knew that the reason for the divorce was not my fault it had to do with his issues but it didn't stop the hurt and pain. I still have a very difficult time trusting in relationships with men as I feel I am going to be abandoned again. The only thing that has helped is the Straight Spouse Network in talking to many other people in the same situation. I agree everyone has the need for their own decisions but I do want people to know it is a painful process and other people are affected. Please let people know there is help out there for us forgotten ones. http://www.ssnetwk.org/
Ellen's picture
Hello Suzy, while I appreciate your view and respect all people's religions, why are you so sure that the God you believe in "wrote" that scripture? Most likely, it was penned by the hands of ancient (white) men who thought they were acting as mediums. Unfortunately, as well, every religion, no matter how well-meaning, seems to read the "scriptures" differently, and conveniently translate seemingly vague language into absolutes that unfortunately translate into "societal rules" that a few privileged people make -- and poor, judgemental decisions. Of course, this is my opinion, and you have yours. if everyone saw that holding a different opinion takes thought is what makes this country great, then dissent and disagreement would not so often be translated into hate-mongering politics.
Terry's picture
Joan and Nona: You are both more confused than Amalia. Where did picketing soldiers funerals come into play here??? Just for the record I am from an Armed Services background that goes back decades. Indeed, soldiers funerals.
Gwen's picture
First of all homosexuality is a sin before God and the bible is very clear on that. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I agree with Judi completely. I don't believe in treating anyone differently or discriminating against others in any way but as a Christian the Gay/Lesbian lifestyle is not acceptable. Anyone who reads the bible and truly knows the scriptures know that it does not accept homosexuality in any form. Just because something is socially acceptable doesn't meant that it's morally correct. People who truly study the bible know better!
Amalia's picture
How can any one fallible person have the right to tell others what God intended? How arrogant. Live and let live. Just go on and mind your own business, people who feel the need to control others. Control yourselves first and foremost! Look into your own hearts and see what emotions are motivating you. If you don't like how others live it's probably because you've got your own pains, miseries and dead-ends. Work on those, become happier people, and then you won't feel the dreadful need to preach intolerance.
Connie Goldman's picture
Thanks for your response to my blog, Ellen. I appeciate your wise comments. It has been an interesting learning for me to interview a great variety of couples that have found new mates in their later years. I found strong similarities reflected in all relationships == the desire to share time, activities, conversation and intimacy--the human need for touch. But also I got validation for my observations over the years that as we age, we have the opportunity to become more of who we truly are, to understand what we need and the satisfactions received from giving. Three cheers for maturity!
Terry's picture
Arnalia, know it or not, deny it or not, every one of us makes judgments each and every day. Again, if I were a betting person I would bet you care a great deal about what others think of you. Burt, thank you for joining the discussion. John, "Judge not lest ye be judged" does not refer to making choices of right and wrong behaviour. I trust, being a Bible Scholar, that you know exactly where this is located. Perhaps it would behoove you to read the excerpt(s) again until you understand its true meaning. I believe your earlier response to me regarding the New Testament and homosexuality is, and I shall quote: "I know for a fact that there is no reference to homosexuality in the New Testament. . . .Terry, you are all wet on this subject." May I suggest you grab yourself a towel. You are looking for the "word" itself. It did not exist in its present form as most terminology of today did not exist. One of the foundational scriptures (found in the New Testament) regarding homosexuality is in Romans, which is pretty clear states in part: (i.e., "Rom. 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men ..") John, if that ain't homosexuality, I do not know what else to say to you. For clarity and the sake of this discussion please read on: "Rom. 1:20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; Rom. 1:21 for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Rom. 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, Rom. 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles. Rom. 1:24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, Rom. 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen. Rom. 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, Rom. 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. Rom. 1:28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct. Rom. 1:29 They were filled with all manner of wickedness . ."
Donna's picture
Oh, listen, really--who really cares what one does with one's life. There are so many people out there whose lives are shortened by disease and death. Had they chosen a route they selected, without guilt or feeling censure from others, they might have been able to overcome disease, or dis-ease (i.e. the censure). Life is away to short to even care a hoot what others think. And who knows why people are like they are? It's an age-old question--born to it? Or is it environment/parents--who knows, and furthermore, who cares? Just live your life as ardently as you can; tell the truth, and remember to forgive.
suzyblitz's picture
There is no reason to care what "other people think" about the choices we make, except of course God. And God tells us in the Holy Scripture it's not an acceptable lifestyle.
Amy's picture
Man was intended to be with a woman and vice-versa. Being a Christian, I believe that is the very core of relationships. Even though it has it's pains and sacrifices,(what relationship doesn't have these?) IT is still what God has intended it to be.That is why a woman is a man's complement so they can procreate and to continue the cycle of life. The family is the very nucleus of society and if nurtured to live in accordance with God's laws will benefit fully from a life with peace of mind and spiritual strength to cope with daily living.
yogagirl's picture
Hooray for those making the choices that are best for them without worrying about the condemnation of others. As we can all see from some of the comments on this blog, it is still not an easy thing to do. It never ceases to amaze me that with all the diversity of religious belief in this world, ONE individual can not only be absolutely convinces that THEIR and ONLY their religion is the correct one BUT also feel it gives them a right to judge others based on THEIR views. This sort of narrowmindedness is the root of many of the world's greatest problems. For instance, those who commit murder through suicide are convinced that THEIR and ONLY their religion is the one true faith and all others are unbelievers and therefore can be judged and even executed. We need MORE people like these couples to stand up bravely for the right to live as they wish so long as they are not harming others in doing so...and they clearly are not. Kudos! I'm proud of you!
Judi's picture
Hi Ellen, As the mother of a gay daughter, let me say this. We love her very much and treat her no differently than our other children. Everyone has shortcomings of some kind & we have to strive to overcome them. I have to agree with Rich though, it's just wrong. Goes against nature. For the 70 year old that said why should she care what people or her kids think, well, I for one do care what my children & people think. When you quit caring what people think, then you become very selfish. And if everyone became selfish, there would be no love left in the world. I think the hate crimes are horrible but those people will stand in judgement one day. I believe in live & let live & let God sort it out. But I'm just sick of having it crammed down our throats now. If you ever watched the "so called" gay games...it is vulgar. Gay or straight, it is vulgar!
Joan Rhodes's picture
Connie, this is a subject near and dear to my heart. My son is gay and I saw firsthand how it was growing up. He had a miserable childhood and he tried to hide it until he went into the service. Actually there were more gays than straights there, or so it seemed at the time. I am a member of the Episcopal church and they are having their own troubles with a homosexual bishop, as if that should matter. Nowhere in the New Testament does Christ speak of this. He was all about love. I figure if I can just do what's best for me, and not judge others I will be living the life that God wants me to. I know so many gays who have adopted, and many children are handicapped or of a different color or culture. They are the most wanted of children. I find gay people accepting and loving because it is all they want in their lives as well.I went to hear the mother of Matthew from Wyoming who was hung on a fence to die. I was so proud of what she is doing. She is literally a voice crying in the wilderness. My son and his partner want only acceptance, and they feel tolerance is not enough, but when you see the hatred all around I say if you can't accept, then tolerate. We'll take it. It's better than hatred. I will forever be a gay advocate. I would like to believe that I would have been this strong even if my son had not been gay. It's merely about loving mankind.
John's picture
Burt, again the word homosexual does not appear in any of the above readings, but the word fornicator is used. For those of us who have had sexual relations other than with our spouses, i.e. high school romance, illicit affairs, etc. Since when does someone use such a loose translation as the NIV for anything? What about sodomy? I guess only the celibate, non-liars, perfect people will enter the kingdom. I thought God loving people lived by a code of being "Judge not lest you be judged." The two greatest commandments that Jesus gave were to love God and to love your neighbor as yourself. If you are a fundamentalist and your eyes are a source of your sin start plucking. If your tongue is the cause, do the go get the kitchen knife.
Shyann1's picture
I have been reading your blogs here. And whether u all realize it or not, it is very healthy to be able to express your thoughts and feelings. Though not everyone agrees with a particular subject...It is ok to have your own thoughts and feelings. No matter how others feel. I have my own opinions on certain issues no doubt. But this is what this is all about... Take Care All.....Shyann1 PS>... you will know soon enough what I'm about.....
Nate's picture
Terry, look up or click on to (rev) "fred phelps and the westboro baptist church: in their own words" There should be some information to help you understand who started picketing soldier's funerals.
Nona's picture
Terry, how bigoted and hateful. This blog has turned out to be one of hate and bias. I hope that you do not picket at solder's funerals. Amalia, do not even respond to this blog anymore. It has become demonized.
Joan Rhodes's picture
Terry, how hurtful. I hope that you are not picketing at our soldier's funerals. Amalia, do not respond to such hatred. We only need to respond to people who are kind.
Rhea's picture
Norma, You ask that gay people not "force" their life style on anyone. All I can say is: look around. In the U.S. alone, we have a multi-billion-dollar industry called pornography that is not only concerned predominately with heterosexual sex, but crosses the line into degradation and violence. If you look at the average movie or read the average best-selling novel, you will likely get a story concerning heterosexual lives (sex and all). Most people who raise children in this culture raise them in 'compulsory heterosexuality'. These are just a few of the ways heterosexuality pervades our culture. So, tell me, who really is forcing their lifestyle on whom?
carolyn burke's picture
Dear Connie Goldman, I'm a writer working on a project that concerns Richard Avedon, whom who you interviewed for NPR, right? Is there a way that I could obtain the transcript of your interview? Any information would be very helpful. Thanks. All the best, Carolyn Burke
Terry's picture
Arnalia! You are joking! We are in a discussion if you hadn't noticed. What God intended? What do you think the Bible is all about? Which are you? Agnostic or atheist? I am curious how you can write what you do and not recognize your own judgments. Your statement yesterday, "It’s the ones who have to conform, the ones who have been brainwashed and can’t see it, that care what others think." What is that? And preaching? You said, "If you don’t like how others live it’s probably because you’ve got your own pains, miseries and dead-ends. Work on those, become happier people, and then you won’t feel the dreadful need to preach intolerance. . . .see what emotions are motivating you." Conducting one's life based on "feelings" and "emotions" is exactly what leads to deadends. You appear to be quite familiar with both.
Ellen's picture
Connie, I applaud your effort to relate stories about same-sex couples who discover late-in-life love. Hopefully some of these stories will help people realize that gay couples want the same things heterosexual couples do, and that they deserve similar rights (I myself am heterosexual). Many people also do not realize or forget that for years in ancient civilations such as Rome, and throughout history, same-sex coupling has been just as pervasive as heterosexual couples it's just been hidden or not acknowledged. It's now become in the forefront of politics because of the need to eradicate discrimination. Remember, it was only in 1967 that interracial couples were allowed to marry. But for some reason in the United States in particular, there is a huge hang-up about sex. We should look to some of the European nations as a model for their more relaxed vision of sexual and romantic freedom.
Terry's picture
Nate: Re the "defensive" issue, of course I am not referring to anyone disagreeing with me. We were having a discussion (or so I thought) on homosexuality and the Bible, which depicts no particular religion. I seemed to have stepped on a few toes in this regard. It is clear that since certain individuals "disagreed" with me, in return I received some very hostile responses (i.e., bigot, biased, angry, hateful, picketing soldiers' funerals, etc.) instead of fact-based comments. If one can only attack in response, I regard that attitude very defensive and immature. I am no longer interested in dialoging with those people. I am Out ... Thanks Nate!
Eileen's picture
Conni and Grace, Ed and Michael...please accept my heartfelt congratulations. Your stories are most touching and give me great hope that I may, eventually, find my own true love.
Nate's picture
Terry, My suggestion regarding the current picketing of soldier's funerals had nothing to do with anyone's religion, but was an attempt to clarify the issue that had been voiced. As for your comment on "people's defensiveness," are you referring to anyone who does not agree with you? I do agree with you, it's good to know when to get "OUT." I too am OUT of here.
Terry's picture
Thanks Amy! You are refreshing. Yes! God is all forgiving. But your word is key here, "repentence"! Unfortunately, there is little of that because we are in a society riddled with attitudes of "entitlement" instead of reaching out and earning what you get by giving (in any capacity). It would be easier to cave in or shrink back in light of how out-numbered we may actually be in today's world. Do the right thing to the best of our ability; you never know who may reach. God has a plan. I have no fear that on my day of reckoning the Lord will recognize me as His child. Have a very wonderful and peaceful day.
Terry's picture
Thank you Nate. I went to their site. This discussion has gotten way off the subject matter. I am not Baptist. We are/were not discussing picketing soldiers' funerals (outrageous)! We were discussing homosexuality and the Bible. If we cannot stay on track here I am OUT !!! I have, however, found the "projections" quite interesting and enlightening in that it has clearly depicted people's defensiveness.
PAT's picture
AS A 68 YEAR OLD LESBIAN,I CAN APPRECIATE AMELIA AND GRACE. I WISH I COULD FIND SOMEONE TO SHARE THESE YEARS. WISH I COULD MEET THEM;MAYBE THEY HAVE A FRIEND. THANKS,CONNIE FOR THESE 2 STORIES. I HAVE LEARNED TO GO BY THIS ATTITUDE: LIVE ,AND LET LIVE, IT WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER WORLD.
Norma's picture
I don't care what other people do but why do they feel the need to publish their sex lives? Very few of the people who are living according to what has been considered normal for thousands of years do this. Why are they so anxious to have us accept them if they do not have some doubts about what they are doing? Live the way you want to for heavens sake but don't force your life style on anyone.
Amalia's picture
Tthe essence of every religion is: "love your neighbor as yourself / do unto other as you would have others do unto you." If so-called 'religious' people are judging their fellow humans (who are not hurting anyone) then they in turn should expect to be judged. And I applaud anyone who does not care what others think. At least they are being true to themselves. It's the ones who have to conform, the ones who have been brainwashed and can't see it, that care what others think. And why? Because they cannot think for themselves.
Terry's picture
First of all, for anyone to say "it never really occurred to me to care what my children thought . . ." is, if nothing else, very selfish and sad. I feel sorry for your children. Ellen refers to the Roman days in that we should become more like the Europeans. Do you not remember the fall of the Roman Empire Ellen? Perhaps you'd be happier living in Europe. Your response to Suzy clearly indicates that you are not a God-fearing human being. I wish you luck with that. Joan refers to the New Testament. Fact: This is not an acceptable behavior in the eyes of God. Period. The fact that Rich's "character" was put on the fire because he did not read the material in its entirety is simply absurd. Gay and Lesbian behavior is not a complex issue. Rich appears to have a steadfast belief in that he doesn't feel the need to read all the "feelings" involved. You say you don't know if you'd have the same attitude were your son not gay. I am not a betting woman, but were I to bet on that I'd bet that you would not hold the same opinion. Because a child is gay does not mean a parent MUST change their own values. I agree with Judi. Having a gay child (or, for that matter, a child who chooses to get involved in some other illegal or perverted activity) does not dictate that a parent should be compelled to change their own values. With regard to same sex couples raising children: It is true there are thousands of children needing a home. TRUTH: A child needs a father and a mother. Sorry if this offends anyone. There is a difference between a man and a woman. That is why God made us this way. We have physical differences and emotional differences. Proper Order: God, Man, Woman, Child. For a human being to grow "balanced" they need the balance of a mother and a father. It is a confounded disservice to confuse this very simple fact! Unfortunately, people get confused. They allow their "feelings" to get in the way of what they know to be true and correct. Trust me society confuses simplistics because of selfish wants and desires. Gee sounds like the Roman days. Our jobs as parents never ends. We are (supposed to be) the leaders of the family, the "elders". We are (supposed to be) the examples to our children and our grandchildren. This is simply proper order. If they cannot look to us they flounder and flop around like fish on sand. They grope for truth, for what is right and wrong. I always taught my children to believe in something or you'll fall for anything. That has proven very powerful. Thank God! Believe me there is one hell of a lot of "falling for anything" going on and bottom line, it's getting scarier by the year. That makes my job and my responsibility more difficult. That's okay. I am up for the task because I do care what my children (and my grandchildren) think. They are better off for it. And, I do care (deeply) about the future of our country.
amy's picture
I noticed a number of typosgraphical errors in my earlier comment so I copied and pasted it and made corrections here(kind of late in the evening so making all these "typos")hope I was able to clear the typos away.. Terry, I admire voices like yours that express their concern for the future of our country and of posterity. I appreciate that you are putting yourself at the forefront of this discussion. I do believe that God created Adam and Eve so they could eventually “go forth and multiply”. Same sex couples cannot biologically “go forth and multiply”. The world and society are being assaulted by forces that try to make us think so that there are no more standards of behavior or values that we should adhere to. In effect, children get confused and are lost in a “sea of all gray” values. The Scriptures are still the standard and source of contentment and peace of mind . It is to be noted however that because God loves us He will accept repentance (which means we turn away completely from that which He admonishes as not to do) because of the Atonement which was the evidence of God’s great love for us thereby finding a way for His children who stray to find their way back to Him.
John's picture
I have been a bible scholar for years and I know for a fact that there is no reference to homosexuality in the New Testament. Jesus came in this world to wash it clean with his precious blood. We are not here to point fingers and judge. Terry, you are all wet on this subject.
Burt's picture
The very WORD "homosexual" occurs several times in the new testamant. It may appear differently in various translations. I know it appears in the NIV and the NASV at least once each. (You call yourself a Bible Scholar? How can you MISS these?) Romans 1:26 1 Corinthians 6:9 1 Timothy 1:10 I wasn't going to join in on the discussion, as I am not here to take sides, nor am I here to tell anyone what to believe, but to call yourself a Bible scholar and say that there is "NO REFERENCE" to homosexuality in the New Testament is just plain irresponsible Theology.
Carolyn's picture
I, also have a gay son, and I am very proud of him. I do NOT believe anyone Chooses to be gay, any more than they choose blue eyes or brown hair. That is just the way they are born. My son would have made a fantastic Father, but now it will never be. That is the only thing I am sorry about. I am so proud that I raised him to be proud of who he is. I always told him that "God don't make junk" and he was created by God in a loving relationship. I have known a lot of people that only knew that something was lacking in their marriage or relationship and didn't even know that the were gay until they suddenly met that some one special for them. Isn't that what we all want for ourselves and our children. I really don't understand what all of the fuss is about.
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