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Hey Guys, Are You Depressed and Don't Know It?

My wife, Carlin, and I walked tentatively into the nicely restored old building to attend the “family weekend.” Our son had been in treatment for a drug problem and we were there to learn and offer support. As part of the weekend experience, all the family members were given various questionnaires to fill out. One was a depression questionnaire. We dutifully filled it out and my wife scored “high” while I scored “low.”

Carlin talked to a counselor who suggested that she might want to get evaluated for depression when we returned home. Driving back we talked and it became clear that Carlin had been feeling depressed for some time. Once home, she saw a doctor, was evaluated, and later put on anti-depressants. Her life and mine changed for the better.

It was like she had come out of a fog. Her joy returned and she became much more fun to be around. A few months into her treatment, Carlin suggested that I might be depressed as well and wanted me to see her doctor. I promptly refused. “I’m not depressed,” I thought out loud. “If I were I’m sure I’d know it. I’m a therapist and I treat depression. I’d certainly recognize it in myself.” She just gave me a gentle smile. “OK, it was just a suggestion,” she said.

“Anyway,” I reminded her, “I took the depression quiz at the treatment center and I scored low.”

As far as I was concerned the case was close. However, there were some disturbing thoughts that would pop into my head. My father had suffered from manic-depressive illness all his life and had tried to commit suicide. I knew that the disease ran in families.

Though I kept telling myself I was immune (God knows that therapists can be the most pig-headed people when our own mental health is concerned), still there were those doubts. Plus, I found I was often irritable, angry, preoccupied, and withdrawn. But that couldn’t be depression, could it?

I convinced myself that my irritability and anger were justified. “Who wouldn’t be upset with what I have to put up with,” I would call out to anyone who would listen. “I’m stressed out at work, the kids seem to go out of there way to get on my last remaining nerve, and my wife is going through menopause.”

Carlin received the brunt of my anger, which she fought to deflect. But what did she expect? If she’d just be nicer, more loving, more interested in sex, everything would be okay.

It never occurred to me that my constant anger made it nearly impossible for her to be nicer, more loving, or more interested in sex.

More and more often I found I was having fantasies of running away from it all. I’d see myself getting in my car and just driving into the sunset. Other times I saw myself with another woman, someone who was kinder and gentler and understood me—someone like Carlin used to be. Those thoughts excited and scared me. I knew we couldn’t go on like this, but I had no idea what to do.

Finally, Carlin made the decision for me. “Look,” she told me directly, “we’re both miserable. If our marriage is going to survive, you’ve got to see someone.” Reluctantly, I made an appointment with the doctor she had seen. He did a complete evaluation and I was sure he would say I was a normal guy who had to deal with a lot of stress in his life. Instead, he told me I was suffering from depression and would benefit from treatment.

I was shocked. I thanked him and just wanted to get out of his office as quickly as I could. I was about to leave when he said something that hit me between the eyes, “You need to be aware, Mr. Diamond, that men often experience depression differently than women, and highly successful and intellectual men, in particular, often deny that they are depressed.”

When I returned home Carlin was anxious to hear the results. I told her what the doctor had said and she seemed relieved. I told her I wanted a second opinion. She blew up. “You want a second opinion? I’ll give you a second opinion. You’re depressed and you need treatment just like I did. It helped me and it will help you.” She turned and walked out of the room.

I didn’t want to believe I was depressed. It just didn’t fit with my view of myself. And it didn’t fit with what I knew were the symptoms of depression. My mood wasn’t depressed most of the time. I hadn’t lost interest in my work or the activities I loved. I slept fine and my energy was OK. I didn’t feel worthless and I didn’t think of killing myself.

I did decide to see another doctor. Even though I liked this one much better than the first, she told me essentially the same thing as doctor number one.

She also explained that men who are depressed are often hypersensitive, irritable, and angry. She gave me a book to read by a world-renowned psychologist, Kay Redfield Jamison. In her book The Unquiet Mind she described depression in a way that cut to my core. “You’re irritable and paranoid and humorless and lifeless and critical and demanding, and no reassurance is ever enough. You’re frightened, and you’re frightening, and ‘you’re not at all like yourself but will be soon,’ but you know you won’t.”

I could no longer deny the truth. I was dealing with depression. I agreed to begin therapy as well as try medications. I found that my life turned around. I wasn’t so hypersensitive. Little things didn’t bother me as much. I wasn’t so reactive and I felt less irritable. As Carlin described it, “You used to look at me in a way that chilled me. Your eyes would narrow and they'd have a beady look.

Now when you look at me I feel your love. It’s wonderful.” Things have continued to improve for us. I know there are millions of other men out there who are depressed, but don’t know it. I developed a questionnaire that seemed to get at the irritability that is at the core of the kind of depression that many men experience.

If there is anyone who would like to take it you can do so here. It will give you a score, let you know the level of irritability and depression you may be experiencing and tell you which of 9 different types are most predominant in your make-up. My hope is that it will allow more men like me to get the help they need.

Joyce's picture
9 years ago I left my husband after putting up for years with what you describe in your story. I know the look of narrow beady eyes your wife described only too well. Everything that went wrong was my fault. At some point I think I was even responsible for Nixon getting elected! I didn't understand that it was depression making my husband so angry and mean. It took me leaving him (after 41 years of marriage) to get him to a doctor. I'm not sorry that I did. He died 3 years later of an unrelated cause, but he died a man more at peace with himself and the world.
Jed Diamond's picture
Laura, The first thing people need to do is to take care of themselves. Often when we live with someone who is suffering from depression, we either blame ourselves or blame the other person. There is a tendency to get caught up in their pain. We either feel bad about ourselves or distance ourselves from the other person. If we are able to get support from others, then we can be a good listener to the man. In your husbands case it sounds like he longs for a place where he could feel happier and less stressed. He also as a real terror of "doing crazy", feeling that if he talks to anyone about his situation, it will "prove" he is crazy. For men with that kind of fear it takes a special kind of sensitivity to let them know that all of us can become overstressed and unhappy. We don't need to feel like there is something wrong with us in order to acknowledge that stress may be too much for us and we need some help to work it out. I encourage you to take good care of yourself and hang in there with him. Let him know you care and that you will listen to his feelings. Remember that his anger is often the only way he can let people know how much pain he is feeling. You may need some counseling yourself to give you the strength to keep things together while you are supporting him making the changes that will improve things for all of you.
Laura N.'s picture
Last year my husband, a healthy 42 year old man, who has been married for 15 years began to dream of a far away place where people are happier. He has been impatience with the children (one son is going though adolescence), lashed out at me over small things and complain there is no love at home. This summer, he went there and had a great time but suffered reentry shock when he came back. He said he did not want to go back and hated the choices he made in his life. He is a man on the edge. He blew up a few times and most of the times I could see he is trying to supress the anger lurking underneath. He blames me for not as sexually active as he was thoughout our marriage as it destroys his self-esteem and contributes to his current problem of getting an erection. My counselor tells me to distance myself and the children from his anger by sleeping in separate beds or when I could not take it anymore, asking him to move out. I don't know if this is a sickness because I would never leave him if he is ill. I asked him to go for counceling but he rejected it immediately because he knows there is mental sickness in his family and he would not accept that there is anything wrong with him. What should I do?
Frank B.'s picture
There are plenty of guys who suffer from depression without being aware of it but plenty of us do recognize the signs and causes. Physical and chemical changes that come with age, social changes that come with retirement along with the usual things like money problems all contribute to depression. I try my best to keep a positive attitude but there are times when life becomes very upsetting and certain feelings of hopelessness invade my thinking. I am a very passionate, sexual man but my wife does not have the same sex drive or sensual personality which is very common. I have never and will never be unfaithful so as a result I get frustrated, disappointed and depressed thinking of how I feel and what I will never have again. The loss of athletic ability or good looks from aging also take their toll on our disposition. I think depression on a certain level is acceptable, it is a natural part of the human experience. We can medicate to mask it and make our lives function differently but the causes are still there. I find little things like music, being around people whether it is at a mall, gym or library helps along with mental exercises like meditation. Never hurts to count your blessings. I can't imagine any man not experiencing some form of depression. I don't agree with blaming others, I may not get the level of sex I would like but I know even if she had a stronger sex drive and was more agressive than myself there are many other issues that contribute to depression. My advice to the ladies would be to make some attempts to get your loved one some help but do not allow yourself to be blamed for their depression. Take care of yourself first.
cindy's picture
Here is my situation. Friend and family died one suddenly one a long term illness. After the sudden loss of his working partner and friend he stated he didn't want to be friends with anyone anymore, he would like to live alone this then triggered a rapid change in his behavior, a usually happy fun loving person became angry restless and withdrawn lost weight and stopped doing things he enjoyed and stopped being with friends, it ended up all my fault for everything, and then the blame went to he was never really happy with married life. We have been married 29 years, best friends, high school sweethearts. He announced he wanted to sell the home we built ourselves, and wanted a divorce. he increased the amount of alcohol he drank and would sit alone and drink. being a nurse i reconized his depression but he could not. he ended up placing the blame all on me. he is now living with a brother and refuses to get help or even admit to his depression he is ready to file for divorce. i love this guy with all my being but find it more and more difficult to hang on.
cindy's picture
i wish my husband could face up to his depression
Jed Diamond's picture
Lou, I know how discouraging it can be to be depressed and be reaching out for help only to find that nothing seems to work. For some people they are helped on the first try. Others require more time and attention. What I know is that there is no one who can't get better. Don't give up. Keep reaching out. The key to turning things around may be just around the corner.
Lou's picture
I've talked to you via. email before, Jed. I know when I'm depressed. I can't work, can't eat, lose weight can't get out of bed, can't concentrate, focus etc. It's really bad. What I hadn't realized is I've always been this way minus the very overt symptoms. The covert ones - angryness, irritability, quick to frustration, etc. are always with me, but I tended not to notice when the major depression lifts and I can function again.(this is the third episode in my 53 year old life.) This time, the major symptoms aren't going away. It's been almost two years now and nearly a year after ECT. That got me marginally better to go back to work, but every day is so much of a struggle, I don't know how much longer I can hack it. The lack of energy, concentration, focus and ability to remember and learn new things are the worst part for me. My email address is no accident - it's like I'm resigned to the permanency of my situation, but hate every waking minute of what I now consider uncompetitive insufficiency in myself. It's pretty bad when the shrink cuts you loose and says there isn't anything else he can do. I keep thinking I'd like to try another antidepressant, but none of them seemed to work, and worse, I have BPH and every one of these drugs, even the ones they tell you don't have the side effect of making it extremely uncomfortable to urinate, affected me that way. (Before ECT I tried Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Neurontin, Gabatril(sp) Strattera, Zyprexa, Effexor and maybe some others I don't remember.) I don't see a future, Jed. My GP and the shrink both tried treating me, and I even went for some cognitive sessions last year. I even pushed for hormone testing and sure enough they found testosterone was low. I've been getting replacement shots for the last year now - same results, no results. Am I reduced to more doctor shopping? Trouble with these guys is you can't try before you buy and med insurance really wants to cut the benefits for mental health. I can't afford more ineffective results. And of course it really wouldn't be the money if I knew who the person was out there who could really help me. Any suggestions Jed, would be greatly appreciated.
jdiamond's picture
Sharon, Absolutely! There are many diseases that contribute to depression. Cirrhosis can definitely be a factor. The key to treating depression is to recognize that there are many good treatments, including various medications. However, every person seems quite unique in how they handle them. What works for one person, doesn't work for someone else. What may work for awhile, doesn't work in the long run. I recommend finding a good physician that you trust and who can work with you to develop and adjust a treatment regimen to be sure you are getting the maximum positve results with the minimum of negative side effects.
Sharon's picture
I feel depression and I am taking Zoloft 100mg. and it not working good. I have Cirrhosis to liver, does it have anything to do with me being depress.
Jed Diamond's picture
Barbara, I'm sorry to hear that your husband's unrecognized and untreated depression contributed to the ending of your marriage. Too many men, as I say, cover their depression with blame and anger. Too many leave their wives, seeking something that is missing. We often think there is something wrong with the woman when the problem is inside us. Quite often the problem is a deep sense of pain in the man himself that he doesn't recognize. Since I posted my quiz a few months ago to help men (and women) determine if male depression and irritability are a problem in their lives, nearly 9,000 men have filled out the questionnaire and gotten a score. Many commented that it was the first time they could see "in black and white" the degree to which their irritability was causing problems in their lives. More importantly, men reported that the results of the quiz helped motivate them to seek help. People who wish to take the quiz can do so at www.TheIrritableMale.com
Barbara MC.'s picture
I just read this piece and it made me cry. My husband and I after 20 years of marriage divorced. For the last year or so before he left I thought he was depressed. He angrily denied it , and also received confirmation from his family doctor when he went in for a physical. He had the symptoms you describe...and he dealt with it in a way that you didn't. I was also strugging with menopause, so we were not a pretty pair. I, however, wanted to keep working on the marriage; he, however, found someone else...no longer just fantasy. Anyway, life goes on. I know that if I am ever again with a man who exhibits similar behaviors, I'm going to be much more alert, and encouraging that he gets to a docotr who will take the time to really examine him.
jdiamond's picture
Luke, I've felt the pressure all my life to keep my emotions under control, inspite of the fact that I, too, am very emotional. I cry at Chick Flicks, babies, sunsets, good times, bad times, blues music, and every song that Patsy Cline ever sang--and I don't even like country music all that much. I still remember talking closely to a man friend at work about a mutual friend who had just died. We were both emotional and had tears in our eyes. Some women walked by and took a look at us. One whispered to the other, "faggots." Being male and being emotional, I learned was something to be hidden or run the risk of being ridiculed. I, for better or worse, am too emotional to hide my emotions, so people have to learn to live with the fact that I'm an emotional guy or learn to live without me. Fortunately, there are a lot of people--male and female--who like emotional guys.
Luke Luther's picture
Thanks for a reminder that we men experience emotion and depression differently than women. How open you are depends so much on how much permission you have to be open. We men are closet brooders who fear emotional expression will be considered weakness. This from a man who cries at Chick Flicks and babies.
jdiamond's picture
Susan, I've found overeating and depression are inter-related. We often eat when we are depressed and become depressed when we put on too much weight. I never understood people who would stop eating when they are depressed. There were times that chocolate cake and icecream seemed like my only friends and I definitely needed to stay close to them in my time of need. Watermellon, on the other hand, is impossible to eat when you are depressed. Red and juicy, just don't go with depression.
jdiamond's picture
Jory, Thanks for your comment. I've been accused by some of being too personal. My last two wives think so for sure. My present wife, Carlin, believes as I do that sharing from the soul is healing.
smitchell's picture
Jed, Thank you for being so open and for putting your life and experiences out there to help others. Depression can be tied to weight gain as well. Often, an emotional eater or someone with an addiction such as binge eating disorder will be depressed and not realize it until someone else brings it up.
jdesjardins's picture
Jed, I've been guilty of thinking of depression only in its extreme form. There are so many more subtle forms that we don't even consider. I have a close friend who is hyper-critical and late to everything in his life. I supect he may be suffering from depression. Are signs like these common?
Joy Des Jardins's picture
Jed, what an AMAZING piece. It really touched me....and made me think. I'm enjoying your posts very much. What a great and valuable contribution to this site.
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