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Surviving His "Change of Life": For Every Woman Who Loves a Man Over 40

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"For about a year now I have gradually felt my husband of 22 years slipping away from me and our family. He has become more sullen, angry, and moody. His general life energy is down and our sex life has gone from good to almost non-existent. He blames me for everything these days. I feel like I’m walking on egg shells and can’t do anything right. My husband used to be the most positive, upbeat, funny person I knew. Now, it’s like living with an angry brick. I love this man and don’t want to lose him. Please, help me."

This letter is typical of the many thousands I have received from women all over the world following the publication of my books Male Menopause and Surviving Male Menopause.

Women know something about the male mid-life crisis when he worries about his receding hair-line and bulging belt-line. They can even understand his attraction to red sports cars and young blonds. But they are baffled by his total transformation.

"I have been trying to tell my husband that he has changed into a Jekyll/Hyde personality overnight," says a 42 year-old mother of three, "but he won’t believe me and says I’m always doing things to irritate him. I don’t know whether to hit him, help him, or leave him. What should I do?"

I tell women that they need to take seriously the fact that men, like women, undergo a "change of life" generally between the ages of 40 and 55. It’s known as menopause in women and andropause (male menopause) in men.

It’s interesting to me that a majority of male clinicians still question whether andropause is real. However, the majority of female clinicians I talk to readily acknowledge the reality of the male change of life.

Martha Weinman Lear, a brilliant writer, describes what she sees happening to mid-life men. "Hormone levels are dropping. Sexual vigor is diminishing. Children are leaving. Parents are dying. Job horizons are narrowing. Friends are having their first heart attacks. The past floods by in a fog of hopes unrealized, opportunities not grasped, women not bedded, potentials not fulfilled, and the future is a confrontation with our own mortality."

Following the publication of Male Menopause I was contacted by Abigail Van Buren and asked to write about men’s change of life for her column. My response was carried in newspapers throughout the world:

Dear Abby,

I have been a psychotherapist for more than thirty years and have seen too many men destroy their own lives and the lives of those they love because they didn’t understand the inevitable changes that go on in a man’s body, mind, and spirit at midlife.

I believe millions of families could be saved from splitting apart if men and women learned about the latest research findings on this crucial time of a man’s life.

* More than thirty-million men in the U.S. are now going through male menopause.

* Fifty-two percent of men between forty and seventy suffer from some degree of erectile dysfunction.

* Men, like women, experience complex hormonal rhythms that affect their mood, their physical well-being, and their sexuality.

* Emotional symptoms include irritability, worry, indecisiveness, and depression.

* Physical symptoms include fatigue, weight gain, memory loss, and sleep disturbances.

* Sexual symptoms include reduced libido, fear of sexual failure, and an increased desire to "prove" he can still perform by seeking a younger partner.

* All problems are treatable and help is available.

Abby’s response was clear and direct:

Dear Jed: Over the years, the idea that men experience a midlife change has been joked about. I’m sure many people will be relieved, and others will be surprised, to learn that male menopause is a fact and is treatable.

If you’re a woman who loves a man over 40, what changes have you noticed in the man going through the change of life? What have you found that has been helpful? What have you tried that was not helpful? If you’re a man over 40, what changes have you noticed in yourself? What would you like women to know about your change of life?

Mr Normal's picture
The assumption in this web site is that the changes in attitude and behavior are all caused by internal hormonal changes in the man. That is just silly. It ignores his intellectual reaction, after 20 or 30 years of putting up with it, to the selfishness around him. If the wife is acting as she should (not as most other women her do), then maybe the problem lies within the man. But if she is a crabby, frigid, ungrateful materialist, then he may be justified to look for someone else, or just walk out and go fishing.
FrankBinetti's picture
Hi Jude, thanks for the comparisson to Santa. These days I'm looking like Santa, with my belly getting bigger all the time. I've been trying to exercise between the necessary madness of preparing for my mother in-law funeral but there are so many opportunities to eat and these folks feast when they get together. My father was cremated, no services, no theatrics, but tomorrow and tuesady will be a three ring circus. Have to go now but as arnold said "I'll be back".
Jude Rossi's picture
There's Frankie!! :) 7:30am...came on-line, checked CNN, clicked over to Third Age to see if any body needed hugged or smacked around, and there was Frankie. It's weird around here when you aren't here, dude. Like a Christmas party without a Santa Claus.
FrankBinetti's picture
Kristen, I would'nt say he is going through a change of life, sounds like he is staying true to form. Unfortunately you changed by having your hysterectomy and whether it changed something subtle about your body or sexual intimacy, it was enough for this prince to move on. You love or loved him and so did your children, but he was only there for as long as things remained all good for him. Chalk it up to a selfish, uncaring, man not worthy of your love. You are still very young, be good to yourself and your children. Don't let him back to hurt you again if leaving was so easy for him. Look for a better man, a good man who will stay by you "in sickness and in health". Best of luck.
Sara's picture
I have some questions. How can a woman tell if he is coming out of the midlife crisis? How can she can encourage him to keep making those positive steps towards his better-self without nagging or coming across as a hyper cheerleader?
Sunnygirl's picture
As always, Jude cuts to the chase. I don't have anything else to add.
Jude Rossi's picture
Well, Kristen...I wouldn't much give a damn WHY an Aggressive, Vulgar, Mean, Hard-drinking, boring, distant, disrespectful SOB left. I would just be thankful he did! At least you don't have to uproot yourself to get rid of him. With SIX failed marriages between the two of you... I think some serious self-searching is needed. He probably has #4 already lined up. I'd move on.
Kristen Jones's picture
I am 31 and my husband is 40. I think he is going through the change. We have been married 6 years and this is the third marriage for us both. We have been through a lot of trash together between kids and exs but have always stuck together. I had a hysterectomoy Christmas 05, it was after that things started changing. No time for me and the children at home. Drinking more, mean as all get out, nothing was ever good enough. Sex went from twice a day just abot every day to I have to beg for it after about two weeks. He is no fun, boring, and distant. He excludes from his life with his kids. I have to call the boys behind his back to see how they are and what is going on in their life. And finally yesterday while I was at work he went home and packed up his clothes in front of my kids and left. Wouldn't tell them what was going on, just to ask their mother. Now he will not talk to me and tell me what he is doing. He is aggressive and vulgar, and completely disrepects me. I just do not understand. No he was not a saint, but he did love me and my children---what is going on?
gigi's picture
I just lost my husband of 28 years... I am devasted and heart broken. All the years wil him were good except the last 3. He became depressed, out of space... don't ask me anything... type of partner. I lost my husband, friend and lover. We are separated and going tru divorce. I have 2 children 27 and 24. He event doesn't talk to them anymore. Can a person change so much ? He moved is with an asian lady who works in a massage parlor. He used to have values in his life and no one understand. Can you explain??
Susan's picture
I understand what you are going through. My husband of 16 years packed up and left me while I was away for a weekend with our kids. He had been withdrawn and moody and drinking more, but always blamed his mood on "work". I later learned that his mood changes were because he was living a double life. He happily celebrated the next weekend at an expensive hotel with his new girlfriend, 13 years younger than him.All the while, my sons and I were crying ourselves to sleep.Three years later he is still happy and lean, tan and muscled, living the life of the beautiful people, with the same beautiful woman. Her beauty is skin deep, as I fail to see inner beauty in a woman who would participate in the degredation of a family.(She has made the statement before that she will never have children as it would ruin her body, and this she said to 2 pregant women!) This man is a different man than the man I was married to. I always looked up to my husband and respected his moral core.That man sadly no longer exists. I recommend to you Susan Anderson's book on abandonement. It has taken me years to believe that I was not the problem, but instead that he had a problem. People told me that from the start, but I punished myself for years. Now I am involved with another man, who is emotionally available and supportive. Life will never be the same, but it can still be very good, it's just different. I feel for you and urge you to nurture yourself. Please buy the book! It will bring great insights to you.
Frank Binetti's picture
Susan, I think your attitude is great considering what you and your children have been through. You can be the best "Susan" you can be but you will never be other woman your husband decided he wanted. Physical beauty is truly skin deep and constantly in jeopardy, will this other woman care for him if he is in need? Probably not. You and your children have suffered a loss, but so has he. My wife and I have been going through some difficult times and although I'm lonely my moral code does not permit me to be unfaithful. I think about the hurt it would cause my wife and the hurt and message it would send my daughters. Not all guys think or care as I do and it's unfortunate. There are situations where a woman will shut down emotionally and sexually on her husband and unless he is some kind of saint there's a good chance he will either cheat or seek a divorce. Then there are the men and women who are looking to "trade up", as one of the other blogs on this site talked about. Finding the strength to move past the hurt, and believing you deserve better is fantastic. I wish you the best.
Jed Diamond's picture
I know how difficult it is to understand how a man can change so dramatically. I believe there are actual changes in the brain. It's like those illusions we learn about in psychology class where you look one way at it and you see an old woman. You look at the same figure another way and you see a beautiful young woman. I think for many men, the switch in the brain flips and all they can see is someone they need to get away from. The right counseling can help. But it can be difficult. You need lots of support. Be sure and take advantage of all you can get.
Jude Rossi's picture
Well, if my man ever gets weird like that, goodbye and good riddence! I'm certainly not going to let him stay around making ME feel old and unloved, hurting my feelings day after day. I don't much give a damn WHY he might choose to turn on me. I'm keeping the house, though....and half the businesses, and AT LEAST half of everything else. !!!!!!!!!! Then I'll go ride the Orient Express, and go dancing on around the world cruises!! I'll be smirking to myself thinking about him trying to keep up with a Lolita. He'd probably have a heart attack. (Just what the Old Goat deserves!)
Jude Rossi's picture
Every man should get old like the Dalai Lama. Full of laughter, joy of life, appreciation for EVERYTHING...and HE never gets nookie!! LOL
Frank Binetti's picture
Jude, that's a hell of a thing to wish on all men and women. I think there would be a lot of guys dying from prostate cancer if they weren't gettting "nookie", and a lot of frustrated women experimenting with alternative lifestyles. Why do you call an old man who is still capable of sexual expression an "Old Goat"? I think men and women who remain sexually active as they grow older are to be commended. It's unfortunate men and women are not in better sync, usually either the man or woman can no longer perform sexually or simply doesn't care about their partner's needs. I'm not excusing infidelity, but I think this attitude of "it's his or her problem, not mine" opens the door for many marriages to fail.
Susan's picture
I have really enjoyed all of these comments! Jude, I sure wish I could have had the attitude you describe above. However, it is confusing when somebody that you love treats you poorly. Especially when you have shared many wonderful years together and you've been concerned for your partner's work stress. Then the bomb drops. There was not an ounce of celebration in me. Now, I can look back and say that all of my needs were not being met, but I had grown slowly into that and barely noticed. Now I have learned about my boundaries and I protect them fiercely. My take on the "old goat" comment is this: some men are old goats, because they sexually desire every young and attractive woman that they interact with, regardless of whether they are having sex at home or not. I believe it is a result of fear of aging, and fear of loss of physical attractiveness. If a man (or woman) feels old, what better salve than to seduce a young sexual partner? It is a sign of power in a man's world to have a young woman on his arm. Now if a man is sexual for joy of the intimacy with his wife or partner, and the sheer physical pleasure, that is a real turn on. Totally different than the old goat.
Jude Rossi's picture
Ahhh, Susan...you totally understand the Old Goat! You must have seen some! LOL
Frank Binetti's picture
Jude, you must have really been hurt to be so cynical towards men. What you are saying of old men seeking the companionship and sexuality of younger possibly more sexual women can also be said of some older women trying to hold or regain their youth. Better understanding of what motivates a married man or woman to behave in such a matter could lead to prevention in some cases. Personally at age fifty three, I find women closer to my own age more attractive not only physically but on a social level. I hold people responsible for their actions but if you could put your personal hurt aside for a moment and consider the possibility that some of these "Old Goats" are not being properly cared for, you may find some other motivation for their poor behavior. There are plenty of married guys who are dumbfounded when thier wives of many years up and leave them for another man. Do you think poorly of all those women?, Do you insult them with disrespectful names? Maybe there is some phenomenon reserved for aging men that explains "cruel" behavior, but I think there is a majority of aging men and women who simply have had enough abuse from their spouse and when they start to rebel we see it as inexplicable. Take off the blinders, we are only getting one side of the story on these blogs and that's not a very fair way to judge another person.
Jude Rossi's picture
LOL @ Frankie's tirade on Old Goats. You are so funny, sometimes... you react so well. Well, whether you like it or not, Frankie..those Horney Old Goats exist! They buck around the barnyard trying to ram any young goatess they can corner! At parties they hug too tight/too long..sneak feels, and leer. LOL And if they have it, they use wealth and power to lure and seduce. Now, I am what they are now calling a "Cougar" these days. Women with younger men. I was 37 and he was 26 when we met. My reasoning is: Too many lonely old widows are out there because men generally die before women. So, I figured (if things go accordingly) that logically we will be getting out of this world at about the same time. LOL I do not look forward to being the rich old widow, dressed in beaded black satin, prowling her bleek empty mansion throughout the lonely wee hours of the night, dragging her memories with her. And Frankie, since I like you so much,,it is my wish for you that you never end up a Horney Old Goat in an empty barnyard with not even the old ewe to ram! Lighten up, dear. All of our human element has humor in it.
Frank Binetti's picture
Sorry Jude, but I don't find it funny to make sexist remarks about older men while you give a pass to older women of a similar mindset. Not all of our human condition has humor in it as you well know and have pointed out many times on these blogs. Yes, I do find it funny that passionate old men are called old goats while passionate old women are called cougars.
Jude Rossi's picture
Well, Touchy Frankie.....The Old Grey Mare ain't what she used to be, either, you know. LOL And all those old Crones getting together to play bridge....ahh, Frankie, it is what it is! One of these days I will tell you about the Horney Old Goat who lives down the road who every Saturday trots up and stands at the end of our drive way to watch my daughters and grand daughters in shorts or swimsuits washing their cars. You know, bending, squatting, stretching, etc. Then he trots back home with his hands deep in his pockets. THAT is a Horney Old Goat!!
Jude Rossi's picture
What would YOU call my Horney Old Goat neighbor, Frankie, if he were out there eyeing your daughters? Hmmm?
Frank Binetti's picture
My daughters are thirteen and nineteen. I've told them I can try to protect them while they are at home but once they are out on their own they need to be aware of their surroundings and companions. Shapely young women wearing swimsuits or shorts bending and stretching while washing their cars are going to attract the attention on old guys, young guys as well as men of all ages in between including lesbians! I think it's normal for guys to look at such a display of skin and beauty in motion. I myself purposely would not look, I would not give them either the satisfaction of knowing I found them worthy of my attention or the reason to feel creeped out by staring eyes. My behavior by not looking is not the norm. I do the same thing in the gym, I take notice of those around me then watch tv or look somewhere else. I get kind of sickened by the term "Dirty Old Man", it used to be very popular but now it is not really politically correct. I was adorable as a baby, cute as a kid, handsome as a young man and distinguished looking now that I'm middle aged. When do I become a dirty old man? Who has the right to wave a wand and say "Sorry, but at your age if you have thoughts of sex, you are no longer a viral stud but something dirty to be scorned". I'm not buying it Jude, your old horny neighbor is enjoying the view and if those were my daughters I would tell them to either put some dam clothes on or expect to be watched! If I had a dollar for every woman who checked me out as I exercised I'd be rich, not to mention those who later pleasured themselves or fantasized about me while they were with their out of shape husbands. Looking is free, touching will cost you!
Jude Rossi's picture
Well, my goodness, Frankie..Here's Looking at You, Kid!! Cost? Umm, how much?
Frank Binetti's picture
The cost is high Jude, but it has nothing to do with money. The price is a life of dedication, caring, love and kindness. Lately I think my wife has decided my price IS too high, so I don't know what the future holds for me. I do think that if after twenty four years of faithful marriage and dedication this should end in divorce, I'm pretty sure I would not have the courage or desire to get married again. I'm frustrated, lonely, tired and a whole bunch of other things that are not good. As the line from the musical South Pacific (one of my all time favorites) goes "We feel lonely and in brief we feel every kind of feeling but the feeling of relief. There IS nothing like a Dam. Good nite.
Jude Rossi's picture
Frankie...I've said it before...you have too much time on your hands. And you look for all of your happiness to come from your wife. That would be nice if it were a reality, but it isn't. Get a job, or volunteer, or SOMETHING to expand your life. You need friends, so go find some. Ones you can SEE! Take a class in making stained glass windows! My Air Traffic Controller brother in Florida recently signed up for a pottery class. He now makes all these gorgeous pots/planters/vases out of clay on the wheel, and he loves it! He sells them, too. A HOBBY! He works days, and his wife is an ICU nurse at night. He had empty hours. You might even be more interesting/attractive to your wife if you EXPAND yourself a bit. Goodnight, Chet
Frank Binetti's picture
"He took a hundread pounds of clay and then he said, Hey Listen I'm gonna fix this world today because I know what's miss'in". "Then he rolled his big sleeves up and whole new world began, he created a woman and a lots of lov'in for a man..." Much better use of clay Jude. Trust me I'm expanded. Goodnight David.
jdiamond's picture
So seriously friends, what do we do when we're in a situation where our needs are not being met. We feel stuck. We feel discouraged. We feel angry. I remember going to a talk many years ago given by the psychologist Carl Rogers. He was in his late 70s. He talked about being married and how he and his wife had gone through many difficult times in their 56 years together. He talked about one stretch where they were estranged, where sex was non existent, and they were very unhappy. As a young man with a new wife, I expected to hear that this estrangment had been going on for a long time...like 5 or 6 weeks. I was totally blown away when he calmly said, that this "bad stretch" had lasted 14 years. At the time I couldn't imagine a "bad stretch" lasting more than a few days, weeks, at most. But years? Inconceivable. I'm a little older now, been married longer, and while Carlin and I have never had a bad stretch lasting 14 yeasrs, I can report that during the menopause years (hers and mine), there was a 10 year stretch where things were pretty awful. What saved us was the fact that we are both very committed to our marriage and our own lives. We did a lot on our own and got a lot of needs met elsewhere (though, not sexual. On that one we just did a lot single sex). We also kept our humor and loved each other inspite of the distance we felt. It wasn't easy, but I'm glad we got through it. It was nice having a role model like Carl Rogers to realize that we weren't alone.
Jude Rossi's picture
Well, Jed...call me shallow, or lacking in committment genes, but I'll be damned if I would spend 14 YEARS of my life with someone who makes me miserable. NO WAY! What if I am only going to live 13?????? I'd rather go adventuring and see what I could find. And if I found nothing better, oh well...at least I had adventures instead of stacking up unhappy days/years. And you know what? My husband damn well knows it, too. He knows if he wants me, he has to be good for me. Visa versa. We had a discussion the other night and he could NOT name, nor think of even ONE time in our marriage where I have hurt him, or not been there for him. Not one. Not even calling him a name. But I am feisty, don't put up with any nonsense. One time about 10 years ago, I suspected/knew he was messing around with coke. Personality changes, $$$ disappearing, odd phone calls, strange people in his life, etc. So, one day he came home and all my bags were packed, and I had two footlockers packed with all my photos and treasures. I told him, "From now on it is ONE day at a time. I will stay with you One day at a time. If I detect drugs, or if you do ANYTHING to hurt me, I am gone." It worked. To this day I keep a suitcase on the upstairs landing to remind him just exactly what is at risk should he think coke/other women/causing Jude unhappiness might be fun. My entire point was, "If you do those things, you don't love and respect me...so why the hell am I with you?" I believe that he loves and respects me more because of my stand. And I adore him.
Frank Binetti's picture
Jude, I think he's afraid of you. There are times when you come off like a bully and it scares me. Jed, I think those of us who experience love and commitment on a higher level than most, are willing to withstand tougher times. I understand Jude's approach of moving on if things get unpleasant because she has been abused and has a lower tolerance for unpleasantness. I have just ended a six week stretch of no lovemaking with my wife of twenty four years and I really thought we were headed for divorce. We all have different levels of what we are willing to live with in all facets of our relationships. Frequency of love making, time together, alone time, privacy and all the rest. We use what tools we have to make our case whether it's intellectual reasoning, passionate pleas, threats, insults or whatever else we have been taught growing up or learned on our own. You have more to draw from given your professional background than almost all of us. You see problems from many different angles along with possible fixes. I'm constantly amazed how many marriages mine included last as long as they do, we are for the most part dancers in the dark.
Jude Rossi's picture
LOL, Frankie. Believe me, Beloved is NOT afraid of me. But he does respect my lines not to be crossed. His choice. Beloved could have just about any woman he set his sights on...he is handsome, successful, extremely witty, charming, high-energy, generous, and quick and smart as a whip. He loves me, and doesn't want to lose me. Period. THAT would be his fear, if fear enters into it. Yes, I have a low tolerance for "unpleasantness." I have a great joy of life.....and anyone who tries to take that away from me is NOT good for me. I refuse to be poisoned by other people's toxins. I have ONE life to live, and I shall NOT waste a day of it on someone who is mean to me. Why should I? In the end, I am responsible for my own happiness and well-being. Other people may come and go throughout my life..it is only me who is with me from the day I was born until I die. If I (and I have) make mistakes in my choices of companions, why should I live with that for the rest of my life?
luz's picture
hi everyone, i'm baaack. why are women considered bullies or threats when they stand their ground? men do it and it is considered normal or manly or even sexy. but when a woman is smart and can articulate her points, she's a bully or a threat. eeeeeesh! i'm glad, frank, that the six weeks of no intimacy with your wife has ended for you. but, what would you have done if it was forever? what if you went out to find another person to love to replace her and you didn't find one. how would you fill your days? bereft because you don't have a partner? you are being challenged to expand yourself, frank. it is unfair of you to put such a weight on the intimacy you have with your wife. it's ufair to your marriage and to your wife and to you. what if it was the other way around and you were impotent or unable or unwanting to have sex with your wife? how would you both resolve it? don't you ever wonder why it's the first thing to go when you both are having disagreements? during my husband's illness our sex life nearly stopped. it was not fair for either of us - but what could we do???? well, we found ways to be intimate together without intercourse, per se. now that he is gone and i don't have a partner i don't focus on the fact that i have not met the right person for me to be intimate with. perhaps i never will. i have found other things to do. i am also disabled so my body is often in pain...but i make it a point to not wallow in pain. there's just too much of life and living out there and i'm going for the gusto.
Frank Binetti's picture
Jude, I'm not going to try and make an argument to convince you to change your beliefs. I live by my own rules and I do put up with unhappy times in my marriage. I think of it as taking the good with the bad and accepting that both my wife and I will have our bad days, (weeks or months) and if we are understanding, patient or tolerable the bad will pass. I am not in favor of insults, disrespect or abuse and I am very vocal about it. For my self and my marriage I think about all the years my wife and I made passionate love, shared happier times and the three daughters she gave birth to so we could have children and I think I can take some crap in exchange for all that. There are endless variable situations in marriages and it's not fair to make blanket statements in my opinion. To expect only good in a marriage is pushing the envelope of reality, men and women encounter health problems, emotional problems and these things can make a great person not much fun to be around. Sometimes I think I need to be understanding, forgiving and tolerant when the person I love most is not very nice to me, and I know she gives me the same room to be human and not the perfect mate all the time. Jude, remember the song "We'll Sing In The Sunshine"? When I was young I thought it was a cute and loving song, but then as I got older I began to think how this woman only wanted the fun, the good and had no true love in her heart to stay grounded in one relationship and weather the bad that always has a turn. Jude, you've been through a lot and you are entitled to the life you choose. I hope you only have good time and love from that special man.
JoanRhodes's picture
The word cherish....it has such awesome power in it. We need to feel cherished. Do we want someone to make love to us because it just gets over the pressure? Frank, I'm talking to you. I needed to be cherished for years. Don't you want that in your life? Or do you want someone who caves in and gets it over with? I am being the devil's advocate here, sweet man. You have good heart. I really like you for that. You are honest. Now be honest with Frank. Sometime we can work a marriage out, and sometime we need to move on. We ALWAYS need to be needed, sexually, spiritually, in every way. I write this to you because I care, as much as I can from a distance. XO
Frank Binetti's picture
Luz, I'll try to answer your questions as honestly as I can. To begin with although I think of myself as being very sexual because I really enjoy giving and receiving pleasure, I have thought about losing the ability to get an erection and have intercourse. Since my wife has Vulvodynia, there are times when she can't have vaginal sex and I don't push her, bully her or insult her. I put myself in her place and it's difficult because although I want and try to be understanding sex is a very powerful driving force. I want to make clear that sex is not my number one complaint or goal in my quest for happiness in my marriage. I want the companionship of my wife, I want to spend time with her, talk, cuddle, exchange ideas, share a life. I want to have a meeting of the minds where we agree on finances, how to raise of daughters, where we should live, things like that. I still think sex is fantastic and stimulates and satisfies all the senses and beyond, BUT, there is a lot more to marriage and happiness than sex. I'm sorry if I've given the impression that sex is the most important thing I want or need from my wife. More sex, pasionate sex would be nice because I am a passionate guy, but I also understand the many issues my wife is dealing with right now. I have never looked for another woman to replace my wife and if we were to divorce it would not be over sex, it would be because of some of the other things I mentioned. The lovemaking we shared after arguing and being apart for six weeks was secondary to the ecstasy of being close and being at peace with one another. Regarding divorce and wheter or not I would meet another woman to share love and life, hope I never have to find out.
Frank Binetti's picture
Joan, you are very sweet yourself and I appreciate your take on all this. It's difficult to clearly understand what motivates me or my wife to behave as we do, different upbringing and priorities play a part in our lives. Sure I want to love and be loved beyond sex. If my marriage is smoke and mirrors, now is just not the time to see clearly and move on. My wife's mother is dying and her father is really out of it with dementia, my father is possibly days away from death and my mother deserves to have me close and supportive in her time of need. I'm trying to be considerate of my family and their needs and a little selfish too, and it's a delicate balancing act. When is the marriage beyond saving? Will I know when it's really over? Am I going through a change of life and do I need to chill out and give my wife and I some time to deal with these problems and heal? Ah, to love and be loved in return..in return. Thanks Joan :)
luz's picture
thank you frank, for taking the time to help me understand you more clearly. and, i am glad you are also understanding of your wife. what a gift you each have in each other.
Joan Rhodes's picture
Taking all of your family to church with me today, Frank. They will be in my prayers. This is not the time for you to do anything but love your wife unconditionally. So sorry for all that's going on. Truly.
Sunnygirl's picture
Hi everyone, I've been around but didn't post because I felt a little out of place posting in blogs dealing with middle-age issues. But - I do not need to be middle-aged to wish someone the best. My thoughts and prayers are with you, Frank. ((((((((Frank and family)))))))) You have a hard decision ahead of you. Everyone here has offered great advice, but only you know everything about your situation. I have learned that the best decisions hurt more now than later and the not-so-good decisions put off hurt for a while but hurt even worse in the long run. I pray that you make the right decision for you and your family.
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Thank you ladies, for your prayers and thoughts. I have been unable to get on the site since yesterday. I'm trying to be more patienct with my wife's situation with her parents and I know it's the right thing to do for the moment. I feel so stressed out with my own personal problems, aches and pains and all the family problems, my parents and my wife's parents being ill.Then I have to be thougthful of my daughters too. IT's a busy time and I just hope I stay well enough to be of help to those I love. Maybe I'll hit lotto and just take of with a couple of young babes( that was a joke ladies).I look forward to blogging on new and exciting things, I love giving my thougths and listening to what everyone else has to say. Take care all.
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Looks like they had the barn door shut around here! The lights were off and nobody home! Probably expanding their bandwidth, or something. Actually it was a good thing for me...I got caught up on all my emails instead of using all my writing energy in here. lol
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Here are my thoughts on this evening of the full moon...We have become good listeners, friends in a sense. I picture Sunnygirl, free spirited in her southern environment, loving and kind. Jude, sitting on her lenai (sp?) envisioning a pas de deux with her beloved at the sunset. Luz, I picture as the great cook, creating sumptuous dishes into the night. And Frank, oh Frank, sometimes sitting with his hand leaning on his head, grieving, wondering, what can I do? I think all of us are a little bit in love with Frank. We yearn to help...yet we can't..only with our words. And words, what can they do? Me? I'm a Jersey girl. I love to cook. I love to decorate my wonderful house. I love my beautiful and precious cat. And last but not least, I adore my Italian husband. Even though....and let me tell you girls, and boys...Italians are hard to please in the kitchen. But last but not least, I can't forget Jed, who has been so loving and loyal to his California girl. Jed, out there with all that sunshine and flowers. And his writings, his writings are flowers and prose. We thank you, Jed, for that. That's all I have to say for now, guys. Signing off now, the Jersey Girl. XO
Frank Binetti's picture
Joan, as usual you are very sweet. I can feel the love and caring through all these posts and they do have a positive impact. I enjoy these exchanges and along with a phone call or two from a couple of old work buddies my days go by. The weather here in CT is finally milder and I can mess with the lawn and busy myself outside a bit so my spirits are better. Making peace with my wife has been great, holding her in my arms and feeling her close is something I can't get enough of. I hope our truce lasts a long time, I have plenty of positive things to say on these blogs and I apologize for all the complaining I've done regarding my marital problems. I think you painted some nice pictures of our little group, although I see Jude with her killer dog intimidating that lovely husband of hers (kidding Jude, stand down). Night All.
Jude Rossi's picture
LOL !! Lordybee, Woman! You speak for yourself! I ain't, NO WAY, NO HOW, a "little bit in love" with that surly ol' moody Frankie dude who calls me a bully! HA! He amuses me, and I like him well enough, but a man has to buy me something pretty, REAL pretty, to get that "in love" out of me!! Besides, I am TOTALLY a One Man at a Time girl......all my 'in love' belongs to Beloved.!!!!!!
JoanRhodes's picture
Oh Jude, don't be SO serious! Isn't that what you always say to Frank? Life is too short to build such tall walls around us. Yeah, we can be a little bit in love with anybody, even our girlfriends. What? You think I'm not a one man girl? Pshaw!
Frank Binetti's picture
Well I'm not old fashioned or sexist, I believe in equal rights and I was expecting Jude to buy me something real nice. Oh well, guess I can forget about that expensive gift to win my heart. Joan, I think there are many forms and levels of "Love" and when people connect as we all have I feel the affection and caring even if Jude doesn't (my heart is breaking, but I'll survive). Jude just can't fathom a sensitive and yet masculine man such as myself. Who knows, maybe after twenty or thirty years of posting on these blogs she will change her mind. I can wait.
Sunnygirl's picture
You all are so funny! It started out with Joan saying such nice words about me and everybody. Thanks Joan! Then Frank came in and started making jokes. Glad you're feeling up to making jokes. You and Jude go back and forth! But Joan is right, we all love you. We all love each other even though we've never met. Now if we're talking about nice things, I would love a black Merecedes or BMW. Who's buying? ;-) If any of you know a great SINGLE man who's already gone thru the change of life discussed here, there's a lovely Carolina girl who'd be sure to appreciate him. I'm happy with my single life, but it never hurts to advertise.
Jude Rossi's picture
A wall? What wall? ??? Me thinks you and I have different conceptions of "in love." I LOVE a lot of people, but I am ONLY "in love" with Beloved. To be "in love" to me is to be starry-eyed and desire someone. To want to mate with them. Believe me, I am NOT starry eyed/nor desire my girlfriends, nor anyone else on this planet but Beloved. Frankie...well, in 30 years, if I am still breathing, I will be 93. You can have me then! LOL I'll even fly you out here!
Frank Binetti's picture
Jude, in thirty years you'll be flying me out in pieces :). Sunnygirl, you have good taste in cars but don't settle for an old guy because he's gone through "The Change". Us guys are always going through changes and there is never a safe time until we are covered with dirt. My advice, get someone alive and kicking. Hold on tight and enjoy the ups and downs, you can still play safe but PLAY!
Sunnygirl's picture
Hmmm - 30 years from now I'll be 66 and maybe retired! Then I'll really have some advice for folks on ThirdAge because I'll be in my own third age. I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of you are still here too. Jude, I bet you'll still be telling it like it is! Frank, I don't consider myself to be "settling" for an older man. I've always had more in common with people older than me. I'm settled myself and can be a bit of a homebody at times. A lot of people my age have to be out all the time. Older men are more likely to be over the games we play in our 20s and 30s. They're more likely to be in touch with their feelings. They're more into showing how they feel than impressing. I'm not against men my age or younger, I just have a preference for older men. But who knows who I will end up with. I'm open.
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